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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 6 03:13:16 2002
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--- Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
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--- Topic for #rockbox set by adi|home at Tue Jun 4 04:41:56
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<Bagder> howdy adiamas
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<adiamas> howdy...
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<adiamas> just had a major power outage here...
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<adiamas> lasted near 2 hrs
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<adiamas> all year we're find...
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<adiamas> world cup comes on a POOF
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<adiamas> damnit
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<Bagder> hehe
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<Bagder> must be a conspiracy somehow ;-)
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<adiamas> damn right
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<adiamas> i blame the canadians
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<Bagder> I miss a tetris for recorder link on the web site
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<Bagder> that lazy web master B-]
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<dwihno> Linus: Will you take on the mission to write the decoder code for the recorder build?
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* Bagder mutters when reading source code written on 160 col lines...
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<adiamas> hehehe
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<adiamas> who did that?
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<Bagder> at work
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<Bagder> silly windows users
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<adiamas> hehehe
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<adiamas> sorry ;)
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<adiamas> i made a deal with a buddy at work...
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<adiamas> he went to 80 cols
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<adiamas> i went to 8 space tabs
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<Bagder> oh, what a sacrifice
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<adiamas> heheh
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<Bagder> I just yell at them ;-)
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<Bagder> and go my way
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<adiamas> we still bitch at each other ;)-
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<Bagder> hehe
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<dwihno> 8 space tabs?!
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* Bagder wonders why he has no friends left ;-)
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<dwihno> Now that's insane
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<dwihno> looks like somebody dropped a bomb in the source code!
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<Bagder> source code should not have tabs, only space
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<dwihno> They should have tabs
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* Bagder casts a spell on dwihno, you windows... eh, windows... person
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<dwihno> what's wrong with tabs?
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<Bagder> people set different tab sizes
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<dwihno> of course
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<Bagder> they are 8 when you print
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<dwihno> :set ts=8
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<Bagder> it make outputs look crap
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<dwihno> depends on what printing stuff you use
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<Bagder> yes, if you're two people you can set requirements on that
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<Bagder> in a development team with many people, you can't
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<dwihno> :)
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<Bagder> believe me, I seen it, done it, used it ;-)
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* Bagder now has 11 years in the "business"
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<dwihno> set ts=4
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<dwihno> whoa
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<dwihno> how old are you?
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<dwihno> 40?
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<Bagder> 31
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<dwihno> scary
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<Bagder> indeed
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<dwihno> I will NEVER get old! :)
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<dwihno> What kind of education do you possess?
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<Bagder> the hard way, the school of life, spare time assembler and work ;-)
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<Bagder> like Zagor and Linus, I have no formal education in this area
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<Bagder> we're all home brewed
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<dwihno> Are you pleased with your salary?
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--- Linus is now known as Linus|very
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<Bagder> is anyone ever? ;-)
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<dwihno> I was
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--- Linus|very is now known as Linus|busy
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<Bagder> I am
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<dwihno> Although a bitch coder with ZERO skills had more than me, and that bugged me.
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<Bagder> that's not the case for me
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<dwihno> coderess
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<Bagder> although currently the market isn't exactly splendid
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<dwihno> not really
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<Bagder> it means less money when the customers renegotiates the rates
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<dwihno> MONEY FOR ALL(TM)
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<Bagder> hey ironi
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<dwihno> damn
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<ironi> hi there
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<ironi> *yawn*
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* dwihno just realized that writing sql queries sometimes is a pain in the /dev/arse
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<ironi> dwihno: why is that
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<dwihno> I want to return multiple counts
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<dwihno> in 1 query
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<dwihno> +----+--------+----+-----------+
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<dwihno> | id | name | id | projectid |
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<dwihno> +----+--------+----+-----------+
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<dwihno> | 2 | Apan | 1 | 39 |
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<dwihno> | 2 | Apan | 2 | 40 |
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<dwihno> | 2 | Apan | 3 | 41 |
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<dwihno> | 3 | Assar | 1 | 39 |
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<dwihno> +----+--------+----+-----------+
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<dwihno> I want to return the projectid count for every id [left one]
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<adiamas> 1. i don't know if postgres lets you
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<adiamas> 2. if you could, you prob do it in a sub query
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<adiamas> ie: select count(id) from table where id in (select unique id from table)
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<adiamas> or some such
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<adiamas> but i dont' think you can do it..
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<adiamas> i know in oracle we have to do a seperate count for each
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<ironi> you cnat do sub querys in postgres
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<ironi> ?
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<dwihno> me is using mysql
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<ironi> ok
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<ironi> anyway
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<ironi> i dont unbderstand what you want
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<ironi> i dont gett the table
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<dwihno> I have a table linking two tables together
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<dwihno> to make multiple selection of objects available
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<ironi> ok sure
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<dwihno> the link table has the userid and projectid
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<ironi> you have a like a projcet table , a member table, and a project_member table?
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<dwihno> and for every user, I want to count the number of projects matching the user id, in a single query
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<ironi> saying which member is involved in which project
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<dwihno> yup
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<ironi> but is the table you pasted the result you want, right?
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<dwihno> nope
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<dwihno> just some example stuff :)
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<ironi> eh,....
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<ironi> caue your project_user tablejust has project id and member id, right
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<dwihno> yup
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<ironi> ok
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<ironi> well that is impossible with out a subquery
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<ironi> and in mysql you cant do them
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<dwihno> darn!
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<ironi> well maybe you could do a join
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<dwihno> I wanted to draw a cute progress bar :)
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<ironi> it was a while since i used sql
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<dwihno> 1 query per user would be a pain in the arse
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<ironi> yeah
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<dwihno> but who gives a shit ;)
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<ironi> but...
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<ironi> cant you just do a loop?
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<dwihno> 1 query to get the ID's and then 1 query per userid
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<ironi> well eya
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<ironi> yea
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<ironi> loop trough the id's , getting the result for each
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<ironi> or can't you do your progress bar then?
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<dwihno> Hehe
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<dwihno> The progress bar makes the stuff so CUTE! :D
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<dwihno> Why did I ever start doing SQL stuff?!
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* dwihno dumps the idea of progress bar ;)
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<ironi> dwihno: are you doing php with it ?
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<dwihno> ironi: jees
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<dwihno> Pee H<><48> Pee
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<ironi> but dwihno
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<ironi> cant you do select user.name, count(projectid) from user,user_project WHERE user.userid=poject.userid
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<ironi> or am i thinking wrong
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<ironi> ooops
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<ironi> select user.name, count(user_project.projectid) from user,user_project WHERE user.userid=user_project.userid
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<ironi> dwihno: how about that?
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<ironi> dwihno! wake up!
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* Bagder offers ironi the microphone and turns up the volume of the loadspeakers
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<ironi> thank you
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<ironi> *harkel*
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<dwihno> ironi: hell<6C> hell<6C>
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<ironi> dwihno: so?
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<dwihno> What who how?
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<ironi> read the last query i wrote
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<dwihno> *read*
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<ironi> cant you do it like that?
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<dwihno> hey, that might work
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<ironi> im kinda embarrased i didnt come up with it immediately
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<dwihno> Don't be! :)
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<dwihno> You gave me the DELL tip! :D
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<ironi> ehm
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<ironi> i think you will have to group by
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<ironi> select user.name, count(user_project.projectid) from user,user_project WHERE user.userid=user_project.userid GROUP BY user.username
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<ironi> otherwise you weill get count for all rows on all rows
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<ironi> =)
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<ironi> ok i should be group by user.name if i used user.name inthe slect clause
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<ironi> but u know what i mean
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<dwihno> Yeah
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<dwihno> YOU GAVE ME THE DELL TIP! :D
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<ironi> so did this work?
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<dwihno> I'm fiddling
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<dwihno> Battery charged
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<dwihno> I love my archos
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<dwihno> I never realized I couldn't live without it before I actually got it!
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<ironi> my just shows charging...
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<Bagder> dwihno: you tried tetris on it yet?
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<ironi> i dont use mine as much as i should
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<dwihno> Bagder: No tetris for the recorder yet ;/
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<Bagder> there is
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<Bagder> wait
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<dwihno> There is?
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* Bagder scans for the URL
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<Bagder> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/tetris.ajz
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<Bagder> it doesn't spin down the HD though
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<dwihno> hey, it worked
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<dwihno> Bagder: how come?
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<Bagder> the ATA code should do that
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<Bagder> ... and it doesn't work on the recorder yet :-)
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<dwihno> hehe
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<dwihno> Then why are you IRC:ing?! :)
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<Bagder> hm
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<Bagder> I don't know ;-)
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<ironi> dwihno: you're welcome
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<ironi> after 10 credits of sql i should have given you the answer immediately
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<ironi> =
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<ironi> )
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* ironi is gone, out in da sun [l/on p/on]
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<dwihno> ironi: THE SUN WILL GET YOU KILLED! Get back here! :)
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<ironi> i have my ray-bans
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* Bagder gets valgrind and ddives in
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<dwihno> valgrind?
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<Bagder> "Valgrind, an open-source memory debugger for x86-GNU/Linux"
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<Hadaka> valgrind is nice
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<dwihno> I will invent something too!
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<dwihno> I know, a new X11 toolkit! ;D
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<Bagder> valgrind is really nice
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<Hadaka> hey, have you guys looked into 'newlib'?
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<Linus> you mean the removal of it?
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<Hadaka> hm, I'm quite out of things - removal?
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<dwihno> What's newlib btw?
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<Hadaka> nm, I'd better read the mailinglist archives before I ask stupid questions
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<Hadaka> Newlib is a C library intended for use on embedded systems.
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<Linus> I thought you meant if we had gotten rid of our newlib dependencies yet
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<Linus> we use newlib today
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<Hadaka> why do you want to get rid of it?
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<Linus> but only for a few functions
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<dwihno> Hadaka: Ah, okay
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<Linus> because it is of no use to us other that for the header files
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<dwihno> header files are evil! :)
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<Linus> :-)
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<Hadaka> hm ok, I don't know enough to comment
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<dwihno> #include <linus_secret_stuff.h>
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<dwihno> That's all you need when doing embedded stuff! :)
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<Linus> We used newlib in the beginning when we didn't have much implemented
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<Linus> but now we have all that newlib has to offer internally
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<Linus> that gives us a smaller footprint
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* dwihno counted project time today
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<Linus> and you don't need to compile newlib when you build the cross compiler
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<dwihno> <-- is gonna afford a kickass DELL box! :D
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<Linus> dwihno: a laptop?
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<Hadaka> same interface as newlib or your own?
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<dwihno> yup :)
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<Linus> Hadaka: same. it's ISO standard
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<dwihno> with geforce go card
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<Hadaka> ok
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<dwihno> So I can play cstrike
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<Linus> dwihno: have an URL?
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<dwihno> http://www.euro.dell.com/countries/se/sve/dhs/products/model_inspn_inspn_2650.htm
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<Linus> dwihno: phew! that's a BEAST!
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<Linus> a bit heavy, though
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<dwihno> The tip of the day: The bread "gr<67>ddad l<>ngtan" is yum with salad and stuff :)
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<Linus> and i would like better resolution that 1024X768
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<dwihno> Linus: As long as it works ;D
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<dwihno> I like 1024
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<dwihno> So I'm gonna dual-boot with linux
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<dwihno> Linus: You should get some lunch!
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<Hadaka> I've been very happy since I uninstalled windows my laptops
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<dwihno> Hadaka: I need Windows for Photoshop, Flash, Illustrator etc. :/
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<Hadaka> I usually get several months uptime for my laptop
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<dwihno> yum!
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<dwihno> Now that's what I call a good lunch!
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<dwihno> havard kv<6B>len?
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<havardk> emm, yes?
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<dwihno> Cool :)
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<webmind> try icelandic
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<havardk> dwihno : who are you, and why do you know my name? :)
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* Bagder awaits the answer ;-)
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<Bagder> havardk: tried rockbox?
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<havardk> no, I haven't
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<havardk> I don't have an Archos, although I've been thinking about getting one
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<Bagder> hehe, ok
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<Bagder> well I haven't *really* tried it either as I have a recorder and we don't do well on that yet
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<Bagder> I've only seen it on Bj<42>rn's player
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* webmind waits untill is as equal or more features and les bugs then original firmware
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<webmind> it has
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<Bagder> that might take a while .-)
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* dwihno waits until it show other than ata: -5 on the recorder ;)
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<webmind> badi have patience
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<webmind> er
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<webmind> Bagder,
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<webmind> damn this keyboard
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<Bagder> I'm a bit dissapointed no one tried my playlist code on target yet
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<Linus> I am about to.
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<Bagder> oh
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<Bagder> I better hide then ;-)
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<Linus> but i have *shrug* work to do...
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* dwihno starts the drumroll
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<Bagder> WORK?! aaaah
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<dwihno> My hands are getting tired... Test the godforsaken playlist code :)
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<Bagder> endurance you need
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<Linus> a world record you will beat, my young apprentice
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<dwihno> Linus: Get back to work ;)
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<Linus> yes. master
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<dwihno> Damn, it's hot outside!
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<dwihno> Obey me, you will
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<Linus> :-)
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<Bagder> rockbox is gaining rank quickly on sourceforge activity
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<Bagder> hi edx
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<edx> yo
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--- edx is now known as edx|class
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<edx|class> :)
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<edx|class> irony.. you got the css file of the internet site?
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<edx|class> i think there's the defualt font set for linux... take like arial / sans ms for that..
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<edx|class> hmm bagder.. any progress regarding ata?
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<edx|class> gotta go
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<Bagder> no progress yet
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<Linus> I'm beginning my Recorder serial mod now...keep your fingers crossed
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* Bagder crosses everything he has
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<Linus> Strange...the Line In is already patched on my Recorder
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<Bagder> uh!
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<Linus> two long wires across the entire CPU board
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<Linus> and connected to two capacitors
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<Linus> I'll just remove them and connect them to the serial port...
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<Linus> ...scalpel, nurse...
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* dwihno hands Linus the crowbar
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<Hadaka> ehh
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<dwihno> Linus: patched?
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<dwihno> Linus: In what way?
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<jedix> hey
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<dwihno> hey ho
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<jedix> whats up?
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<Bagder> we're busy crossing fingers for Linus
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<Bagder> he has his fingers in his Archos as we speak ;-)
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<jedix> cool
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<jedix> I dunno how to handle this scrolling thing without this being OO or threads
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* dwihno crosses his toes too
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<dwihno> See? :)
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<dwihno> ooo
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<dwihno> O
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<dwihno> hmm
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<dwihno> :)
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<Bagder> we have threads
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<jedix> see the problem is right now, it just does scrolling.. all the time, and nothing else
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<jedix> its in a while(true) loop... :/
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<Bagder> yes, but it could be in its own thread
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<Bagder> perhaps
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<jedix> yes, that would do it
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<Bagder> there's a minor drawback with that: we don't have threads in the simulator (yet) ;-/
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<jedix> an other small problem is that it scrolls well past the screen(takes a while for it to come back)
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<Bagder> how do you mean?
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<jedix> it scrolls to the left until you can;t see it.. but then it keeps going
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<Bagder> so make it not do that ;-)
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<jedix> yeah, working on that :)
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<jedix> also, the text warps around the line on me..
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<jedix> where does that happen?
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<Bagder> that's a flaw in the simulator
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<jedix> oh, ok
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<Bagder> I'll have a look at it right now
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<Bagder> that's lcd_puts() in a player, right?
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<jedix> yeah
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<jedix> brb, going to get breakfast
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<Bagder> ok, I'll commit a fix
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<Bagder> hm, bad fix
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<Bagder> better
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<jedix> hehe
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<jedix> so, if I update my cvs.. will my changes be removed?
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<Bagder> no
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<Bagder> they'll be merged
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<jedix> k
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<jedix> i get a few errors
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<Bagder> when updating?
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<jedix> building
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<Bagder> show me
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<jedix> /home/liam/archos/build/tree.o: In function `peek_next_track':
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<jedix> /home/liam/archos/uisimulator/x11/../../apps/tree.c:213: undefined reference to `playlist_next'
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<jedix> /home/liam/archos/build/tree.o: In function `dirbrowse':
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<jedix> /home/liam/archos/uisimulator/x11/../../apps/tree.c:307: undefined reference to `play_list'
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<jedix> /home/liam/archos/build/play.o: In function `playtune':
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<jedix> /home/liam/archos/uisimulator/x11/../../apps/play.c:88: undefined reference to `mpeg_play'
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<Bagder> did you update the uisimulator tree too?
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<jedix> I updated everything
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<Bagder> hm, do 'make clean' and 'make' again to be sure
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<jedix> same thing
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<jedix> you don't get this?
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<Bagder> nope, and neither do http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-auto/
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<jedix> cvs update -dP in the root dir..
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<Bagder> where you checked out "." ?
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<jedix> yeah
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<jedix> yeah
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<jedix> sorry, wrong window
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<jedix> cvs update: move away uisimulator/x11/xmu.h; it is in the way
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<jedix> C uisimulator/x11/xmu.h
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<jedix> is that ok?
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<Bagder> no
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<Bagder> I mean, sure you can remove it, and it'll come back when you update
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<Bagder> but it shouldn't say that in the first place
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<Bagder> hm, are you running make in the uisimulator/x11 dir?
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<jedix> I did once.. but I just deleted that dir
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<Bagder> the uisimulator/x11 ?
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<jedix> I got it now
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<jedix> i deleted the uisimulator dir
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<jedix> and it works
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<Bagder> it works without that dir?
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<jedix> no I updated and got it again
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<Bagder> ah
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<Bagder> ok
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<Bagder> fine
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<jedix> the text still wraps to the next line though
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<jedix> but I fixed my scroll problem :)
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<Bagder> wraps one letter or completely?
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<jedix> completely
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<dwihno> cool stuff :D
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--- dwihno is now known as dw|weekend
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<dw|weekend> SWEDEN SHALL WIN! :D
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<jedix> I'm sure its thursday
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<dw|weekend> Me too
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<dw|weekend> I'm taking the day off
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<dw|weekend> 1) watch the game
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<dw|weekend> 2) go for a weekend trip
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<jedix> nice
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<Bagder> jedix: regarding the wrapping, you either check out why in the lcd_puts() or I fix that when I code that shows this happen
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<jedix> k
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<Bagder> I think I know why it happens
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<Bagder> it's a define issue
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<jedix> after I print a line of text I try to clear the rectangle.. but it doesn;t work
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<Hadaka> running mkfs.vfat on my archos right now
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<Hadaka> would I need to specify the logical sector size by hand?
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<Bagder> I don't know
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<Hadaka> well I didn't, anyway
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<Hadaka> though I did put -F 32 just in case
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<Bagder> yes, you need that
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<Bagder> if I recall correctly
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<Hadaka> I wonder how long this will take
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<Hadaka> ooh, finished
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<Hadaka> hmm! where does this thing save the play mode?
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<Hadaka> after mkfs.vfat, it still is in random play
|
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<Bagder> it saved in an unused sector
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<Bagder> +is
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<Hadaka> unused sector outside the filesystem?
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<Bagder> yes
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<Bagder> one of the first ones
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<jedix> what is LCD_WIDTH measured in? is it the amount of chars that can be displayed on the screen?
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<Hadaka> ok so if I stumbled around with fdisk, I could get it erased or something?
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<Bagder> jedix: that is pixels, and is only available for bitmap LCDs
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<jedix> Bagder: how do I get the lenght on the other screen?
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<Bagder> Hadaka: I'm not really sure, I'm mostly repeating things I've learned from the others right now
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<Bagder> I dunno
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<Bagder> maybe there's a define, maybe not ;-)
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<Hadaka> yikes, cache writes are scary
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<Bagder> Linus: what's the status?
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<Hadaka> weird - I get 10Mb/sec transfer rates and then total lockups when it actually writes the stuff to the disk
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<Bagder> uh :-(
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<Hadaka> ooh I love preemptiple kernel patch
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<Hadaka> load at 4 :)
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<edx> hi
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<Bagder> rehi
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<jedix> Hadaka = Linus?
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<jedix> hey edx
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<jedix> oh... nm
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<edx> heh.. your function is working now?
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<Hadaka> nno, I'm not linus :)
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<Linus> I am Linus
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<Linus> i have connected the serial port on the recorder
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<Linus> but the Tx isn't quite working
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<Linus> i might have to dust off the oscilloscope
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<edx> that's for debugging?
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<Linus> yes
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<edx> might that help with the ata problem?
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<Linus> of course
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<jedix> edx: sorta working
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<edx> ah ok
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<edx> *teatime* :)
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--- Linus is now known as Linus|verybusy
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<edx> linux: to me it seems the memory area for the command is wrong (but i dont know much about that h/w business)
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--- edx is now known as edx|tea
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<Linus|verybusy> edx|tea: not according to the schematics
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<Linus|verybusy> Guys! Do we know if the clock frequency on the recorder is 12MHz as well?
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<Bagder> I don't
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<Linus|verybusy> The schematics say 11.05
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<Bagder> oh
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<Linus|verybusy> that means i have to recalculate the baud generator...
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<Bagder> yeah
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<Bagder> no wonder it doesn't work ;-)
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<Hadaka> is the cpu in these running at full speed at all times - or is there some halt mechanism?
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<Bagder> I believe there is some kind of sleep mode, but then we probably can't be playing mp3
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<Hadaka> but while playing, the thing is running at full cpu?
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<Bagder> yes
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--- edx|tea is now known as edx
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<edx> hmm the frequenzy doesnt have anything to do with ata, does it?
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* edx wants ata to work :)
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<Bagder> but the frequency needs to be known for the serial port to work
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<Bagder> without serial port, no gdb
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<edx> yea.. serial port..
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<Bagder> without gdb, no ata debugging
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<edx> but ata .. hehe
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<Hadaka> 6293838 100% 56.69kB/s 0:01:47
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<Hadaka> 968704 100% 12.75MB/s 0:00:00
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<Hadaka> I wonder if all this fluctuation is caused by the preemptible kernel patch or the uhci stuff or the fact that I have debug output still on in usb-storage
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<jedix> that good or bad?
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<Hadaka> well I dunno - I can tell when the transfer is finished that what was the total speed
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<Hadaka> it's a tad bit annoying atleast not to see the real transfer speed since you only see files going into the cache - and then going out of the cache afterwards
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<Coug> hey all
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<Coug> hello?
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<edx> hi
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<webmind> hi
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<Coug> ah finally
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<Coug> are any of you developers in the rockbox project?
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<webmind> some
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<Coug> is there any ambition to add aac support to the firmware?
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<webmind> aac?
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<webmind> what's that?
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<Coug> advanced audio something
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<webmind> doubt it
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<Coug> low bitrate - high quality
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<webmind> cos mp3 decoding is done trhough hardware
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<webmind> through
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<Coug> ah
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<webmind> decoding chip
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<Coug> dang
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<Coug> do you know, are there any dos drivers for the archos?
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<webmind> so i think mp3/mpeg will be it
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<webmind> doubt it
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<Coug> is there a way to create recorder drivers for dos?
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<webmind> if u can get usb to work in dos
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<Coug> how can you do that?
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<webmind> get drivers
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<webmind> doubt they exist though
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<Coug> lol
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<Coug> you mean just straight usb drivers?
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<webmind> well
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<Coug> or archos recorder drivers?
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<webmind> u need usb support no ?
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<Coug> of course
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<webmind> afaik archos uses usb.. so
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<webmind> u need usb support in dos
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<Coug> true
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<webmind> and support for the usb harddrive controller
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<webmind> isd200
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<Coug> ok
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<Coug> but you can use usb keyboards in dos
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<Coug> so there has to be at least some level of usb support
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<webmind> dunno bout that
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<satino> can my archos jukebox work under linux?
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<Coug> if you get linux drivers
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<satino> is it easy to set up?
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<Coug> webmind - my whole goal here is to turn the archos into a bootable harddrive
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<webmind> satino, sure.. linux support is the current kernel
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<webmind> Coug, ah.. i think u need bios support then
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<webmind> Coug, dunno if there are any bios's that support booting from usb hd
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<Coug> i was thinking about a boot disk (floppy) that allows you to then boot to the archos
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<webmind> Coug, ah.. then try a linux boot disk :)
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<webmind> that has drivers :)
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<Coug> for the archos though?
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<miah> to get the archos workign in linux, you need a kernel that supports SCSI, and USB ISD2000, you wont see the ISD2000 config option unless scsi is enabled though
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<satino> webmind, well, do I need to compile a new kernel?
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<webmind> satino, if u dont have support build in.. probably yes
|
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<webmind> Coug, if u have your bootdisk with a kernel with acrhos support u just access it as a scsi harddrive.. and thus boot from it
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<Coug> webmind - how will that work, because i want to boot windows xp
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<Coug> could i close linux and then still boot?
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<Coug> webmind - could you lead me through the general process (starting with the floppy) for a bootable archos?
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<webmind> Coug, u wont be able to run xp from it
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<webmind> not booting
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<Coug> that is why i was thinking DOS
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<webmind> wont work
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<webmind> xp doesnt run from dos either
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<webmind> u need to load the support for the archos at boot from a different medium
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<Coug> could i then make a bootable cd?
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<webmind> with linux u can put the kernel with the added support on a floppy disk
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<webmind> can't do that with xp
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<webmind> not with winxp
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<Coug> techinically, why not?
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<webmind> cos winxp needs write access
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<Coug> why couldnt it then use the c:\ drive or the archos?
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<webmind> and it's not reilly possible to determin the files that need to be writeable and put those on a ram disk
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<webmind> Coug, it could.. but not for booting
|
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<webmind> and it needs the system files for booting
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<Coug> if the cd just enabled the usb and the driver support for the archos, could you allow the comp to see the archos for booting?
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<Coug> like use the cd as a driver for the archos?
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<Coug> kind of like Microsoft did with Windows 95 and the CD
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<Coug> build in a "mini OS" that allows a program to run off of the CD
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<webmind> Coug, yes.. but u cant do that with winxp
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<Coug> or archos in this case?
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<Coug> can you follow my line of reasoning for a sec?
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<Coug> put in a floppy, or cd, and boot to dos
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<Coug> load the archos drivers for dos that allow read/write access
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<Coug> then start the boot process from the archos
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<Coug> where would the files need to be written to during boot?
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<webmind> Coug, xp doesnt support booting from dos...
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<Coug> ah, how does it work?
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<webmind> xp boots on its own
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<webmind> starting from the NT system windows stopts using dos as underlying platform
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<Coug> ok
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<webmind> xp is followup from windows 200 which is windows nt
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<Coug> so i could do that with 98, but not xp?
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<webmind> windowsm 2000
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<webmind> Coug, u might be able to do it with win98 yes
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<webmind> if u can get dos drivers
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<webmind> which u would probably have to make yourself
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<Coug> that i may be able to do
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<Coug> is there a way to trick xp into thinking that dos is not running?
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<webmind> hehe
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<webmind> not that simple
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<Coug> or a way to initiate the boot process from dos?
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<webmind> dunno.. but doubt it
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<Coug> i figured it wouldnt be, but it was worth a shot
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<webmind> u could run xp within linux though.. but then u would lose a lot of andvantages
|
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<webmind> like support for 3d cards and stuff
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<Coug> ya
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<Coug> vmware?
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<webmind> uhuh
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<webmind> thereby.. remeber.. archos only can get 1mb/s
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<Coug> i dont have a liscense for it
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<webmind> which is quite slow
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<Coug> ya
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<Coug> no kidding
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<Coug> so.... the trick is tricking the bios into thinking that the archos is a harddrive.....
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<Coug> that doesnt sound easy
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<webmind> u need usb harddrive support in the bios then
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<webmind> ..
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<webmind> and i haven't seen that before
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<webmind> scsi, zip, ls120.. but no usb hd's
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<Coug> then.... is there a way to start the xp boot process from a disk and load the archos driver very early, then refer it to the archos?
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<edx> coug.. they are loaded very early..
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<edx> i once had scandisc run over my archos at boot time
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<Coug> hmmm...... so i could put some of the xp files on a cd then refer the other files to the x:\ or whatever drive?
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<Coug> maybe?
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<webmind> u could put some of the files on the archos yes
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<webmind> proably the stuff like programs
|
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<webmind> but XP still needs to find them
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<Coug> but windows xp wont all fit on a CD will it?
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<webmind> dont think so
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<webmind> thereby i doubt it will boot from cd
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<webmind> btw, why do u want to boot xp from archos ?
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<webmind> i mean.. it will run terribly slow
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<Coug> i am attending a college that wont allow me to use my archos because of security restrictions
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<Coug> but they allow the download of programs
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<webmind> lovely
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<Coug> so i wanted to download things and put them on the archos
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<webmind> so why boot xp from it ?
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<Coug> and i LOVE xp
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<webmind> well it's not helping u here
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<Coug> and i HATE 98
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<Coug> i know
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<webmind> i can tell u linux would most likely work
|
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<Coug> and my friend is a Mac fan *shudder* and he brags that he can put his firewire drive in and boot to it
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<webmind> and if u want to keep full compatibility of the filesystem u could even put your filesystem in a file
|
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<webmind> u'd just put the kernel on a floppy
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<Coug> how would you boot that?
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<webmind> u'd have look into some docs
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<Coug> i dont know much at all about the boot process of OSes
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<Coug> ok
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<webmind> i'm no expert on the field
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<webmind> but i know what can be done
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<Coug> i dont know what *can* be done, but i am a programmer, so, if it can be thought of, it *can* be done
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<webmind> easiest way would probably be making a different partition on the arcohs
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<Coug> in one way or another
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<webmind> archos
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<Coug> hey.... thats a good idea, but can you do that and still have windows support?
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<webmind> Coug, well for windows solution it sometimes CAN be done.. but not withouth braking laws
|
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<Coug> do they not allow you to tweak certain things?
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<webmind> edx, do u know if the archos has problems if there are unsupported partitions on the drive ?
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<webmind> Coug, some things.. not most of the things..
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<webmind> Coug, i think u need detailed info on xp if u want to tweak the boot process
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<Coug> do you know where i could get that?
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<Coug> please dont say Microsoft KB
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<webmind> i dont think there is a legal way
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<webmind> unless MS is willing to provide the ingo
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<webmind> info
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<webmind> which i doubt
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<Coug> i dont see why they wouldnt disclose how to boot xp from a cd......
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<Coug> but it is Microsoft
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<webmind> indeed..
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<webmind> they disclose i lot they dont need to
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<webmind> i=a
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<webmind> but i'd say linux should do the trick
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<Coug> ya
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<Coug> but i dont know how to do crap with linux
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<webmind> windows support of the archos wont be the problem i think
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<webmind> but i dont know if the device itself as problems with unsupoorted partitions
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<webmind> Coug, figure it out then :)
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<Coug> lol
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<Coug> i try
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<Coug> but dont know any c or c++ so it gets difficult
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<webmind> if u want to spent time in it.. it's not hard to learn
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<Coug> and alot of my stuff is unsupported by my flavor of linux
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<webmind> u'r a delphi coder?
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<Coug> VB
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<Coug> i have done a little delphi
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<webmind> sorry.. i'd hardly call that a programmer
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<Coug> and i have a good friend that is a delphi coder
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<Coug> i do some java too
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<webmind> delphi is something
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<Coug> no... not jscript
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<webmind> java is indeed coding
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<webmind> but sorry.. visual basic is not
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<Coug> i have worked with basic too
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<Coug> why isnt vb coding?
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<webmind> still
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<Coug> too easy?
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<webmind> cos it's not
|
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<webmind> it;s just a toolkit
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<webmind> doesn't have any real power
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<Coug> i like to think that i do alot of my own stuff in vb and dont always use pre programmed stuff
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<webmind> vb is preprogrammed
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<Coug> infact, i wrote a program that calculates factorial numbers
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<webmind> u can do that scripting...
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<Coug> and i had to write the multiplication procedure from the ground up
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<Coug> using integers instead of other types
|
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<Coug> the numbers got too big
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<Coug> the largest number i have calculated is 15000!....
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<Coug> it was 56,140 digits long
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<webmind> ..
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<Coug> so..... i did have to do some programming there
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<Coug> but otherwise, you a right
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<Coug> vb is just a toolkit
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<Coug> a = are
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* webmind prfers perl or c
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<webmind> prefers
|
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<Coug> ya
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<Coug> i would love to learn c or c++
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<webmind> learn it then
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<webmind> not that hard
|
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<webmind> lot's of books about it
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<Coug> i am taking a class next year in school over c++
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<Coug> i'll probably wait until then
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<webmind> and dont use vc++ or c# or anything
|
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<Coug> lol
|
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<Coug> why not vc++?
|
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<webmind> cos it's to dependant
|
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<Coug> oh
|
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<Coug> ok
|
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<webmind> i'd advice to first build general C/C++ knowledge
|
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<webmind> instead of just learning to code some win apps
|
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<Coug> will do
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<Coug> of course
|
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<webmind> that way u can choose for what platform u want to code.. or even code for all platforms
|
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<Coug> ya
|
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<webmind> which will make you far more flexible.. and as a bonus more interesting for the job market :)
|
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<Coug> true
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<Coug> so..... do you think that booting xp from cd/archos is a waste of time? or even feasable?
|
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<miah> its a waste of time
|
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<webmind> Coug, i dont think it's actually possible.. and if it is.. a waste of time
|
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<Coug> ah
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<Coug> ok
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<webmind> especially since if it will run.. it will run as slow as hell
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<Coug> how could i boot linux then?
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<Coug> and have archos support?
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<miah> install linux
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<webmind> get a linux boot disk with archos support
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<miah> build kernel with archos support
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<miah> and you're set
|
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<webmind> use your archos as root device
|
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<webmind> done
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<Coug> miah - i cant install anything to the harddrive of the computer
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<miah> why?
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<Coug> its not my computer
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<webmind> miah, school machine
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<miah> ah
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<miah> buy a computer?
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<webmind> Coug, fix it on your won machine
|
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<miah> they're what $200 now?
|
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<webmind> own
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<miah> if you can afford a archos, you can certainly afford a computer
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<Coug> nah nah, its not that, i dont have high speed internet at home
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<webmind> Coug, install linux then on your archos
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<Coug> and i cant hook my archos at school
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<Coug> (security)
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<Coug> webmind - ok
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<webmind> Coug, it's doable.. but it is some work...
|
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<webmind> but way more doable then with xp
|
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<Coug> will mandrake 8.1 work with the archos easily?
|
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<Coug> ok
|
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<webmind> Coug, i'd advice debian
|
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<webmind> Coug, takes less
|
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<Coug> ok
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<Coug> where can i get that and how big is the dl?
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<Coug> and is there built-in archos support?
|
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<webmind> u can have a minimal graphical installation for under 300mb
|
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<Coug> one thing though is that i want X and i would like KDE but KDE isnt nessecary
|
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<webmind> Coug, dunno if the archos support is on the installdisk.. but otherwise u need a custom installdisk
|
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<webmind> Coug, i think u want something light... since it's a damn slow device.. so i wouldn't go further then a light gnome installation
|
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<Coug> how about network config?
|
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<Coug> easy?
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<webmind> Coug, but windowmaker, blackbox or icewm would be more doable i think
|
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<webmind> Coug, u can use dhcp
|
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<webmind> asuming the network has that
|
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<Coug> if it matters, it is a novell network
|
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<Hadaka> err um, how does one boot from an usb connected archos device?
|
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<webmind> Hadaka, bootdisk
|
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<webmind> floppy
|
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<Coug> but doesnt require authentication, proved using the mac boot drive
|
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<Coug> boot = bootable
|
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<Hadaka> bootdisk with the kernel and stuff?
|
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<Coug> ya
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<webmind> Hadaka, uhuh
|
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<Hadaka> hrm, nasty
|
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<webmind> Hadaka, just the kernel and maybe lilo
|
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<webmind> easy as pie
|
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<Coug> why need lilo?
|
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<Coug> cant i just set it to boot to the archos no matter what?
|
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<webmind> Coug, could help with defining rootdevice.. not sure though
|
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<Coug> the only time i would use the disk is when the archos is being used
|
||
<Coug> ok
|
||
<Hadaka> grub and a kernel would be good enough I guess
|
||
<Coug> that makes sense
|
||
<webmind> Coug, don't know detail;s about making bootdisks.. but i think u should be able to tell the kernel that archos is rootdevice
|
||
<Coug> ok
|
||
<Coug> but what about the drivers?
|
||
<Hadaka> you need scsi support, usb support (correct uhci/ohci support) and usb-storage support compiled into the kernel
|
||
<webmind> Coug, only real problem would be that i dont know how the archos reacts on unsupported partitions
|
||
<Coug> will the kernel automatically recognize the archos?
|
||
<Coug> ah, that is the thing
|
||
<Coug> yes.....
|
||
<Hadaka> then your root device would just be /dev/sda1 - or /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 with devfs :)
|
||
<Coug> lets say that i partitioned my archos with linux included, if it didnt work, would there be any way to get it back?
|
||
<Hadaka> but if you are using grub (or even lilo) as the boot loader - you can tell the name of the root device while booting if that isn't correct (a machine has other scsi drives=
|
||
<Hadaka> yes
|
||
<Hadaka> the usb connection always works
|
||
<Coug> how?
|
||
<Hadaka> regardless
|
||
<Hadaka> loads from the flash-rom firmware, gives direct access to the disk - then you can reformat it normally again if it doesn't work
|
||
<Coug> would windows recognize the archos as a regular archos drive then, and i would just repartition and format?
|
||
<Hadaka> well I don't know what windows does with drives like that - but a windows fdisk or similar should be able to repartition it back the way it was
|
||
<Hadaka> but as long as there is a FAT partition first in the drive, I'm guessing that it will work just fine
|
||
<Coug> ok
|
||
<Coug> webmind - i found a 36 meg debian install
|
||
<Coug> how does that work?
|
||
<Hadaka> that's the netinstall image
|
||
<Coug> meaning.....?
|
||
<edx> itll download files later...
|
||
<Hadaka> it's able to install the kernel and the base system - and everything else is downloaded from the net
|
||
<edx> after you chose packages.
|
||
<Hadaka> ...actually the images on that disk are able to install the kernel and the base system from the net as well
|
||
<Coug> would i need to download anything from the net to get it to work?
|
||
<edx> depends on what you wanna do :)
|
||
<Hadaka> well yes - you just get the base system with that - it doesn't have a lot of anything
|
||
<Coug> does it have a web browser?
|
||
--- edx is now known as edx|eatz
|
||
<Hadaka> don't think so
|
||
<Hadaka> nor X
|
||
<Coug> dang
|
||
<edx|eatz> no.. not even graphic user interface
|
||
<Hadaka> it's just a base image
|
||
<Hadaka> the bare bones that will let the system boot
|
||
<Hadaka> and install more packages
|
||
<Coug> dang
|
||
<Hadaka> what's so dang about it?
|
||
<Hadaka> it's the best way to install - everything else requires you to download more
|
||
<Coug> but i dont have fast internet at home
|
||
<Coug> 26,400 kbps
|
||
<edx|eatz> :/
|
||
<Coug> ya
|
||
<Coug> well....
|
||
<Hadaka> well then you would probably want the full iso images
|
||
<Coug> i gotta get going now, thanks for all the help
|
||
<edx|eatz> cu
|
||
<Coug> i should be back on later todat
|
||
<Coug> today*
|
||
<-- Coug has quit ()
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<jedix> ..
|
||
<jedix> anyone around?
|
||
--- edx|eatz is now known as edx
|
||
<edx> i am
|
||
<jedix> cool
|
||
<jedix> do you know about threads with this device?
|
||
<edx> ouhm... not much
|
||
<jedix> oh, ok. my code works ok, but it really needs to be in a thread
|
||
<edx> hm... create_thread is the function
|
||
<jedix> that way it can be told to sleep..
|
||
<edx> int create_thread(void* fp, void* sp, int stk_size);
|
||
<jedix> how are they handled?
|
||
<edx> hmm dont know to tell the truth :)
|
||
<jedix> ah well
|
||
<jedix> what else besides scrolling text needs to be done then?
|
||
<edx> hmm dont know either lol
|
||
<jedix> do you want to see the scrolling text?
|
||
<edx> ata for recorder needs to be working
|
||
<edx> why no :)
|
||
<edx> *why not
|
||
<edx> lol
|
||
<edx> ie. i want to see it
|
||
<jedix> ..how about something i can work on..?
|
||
<jedix> k
|
||
<edx> is it in cvs?
|
||
<jedix> I don't think I can dcc it..
|
||
<edx> mail it.
|
||
<jedix> i don't think I can check things in
|
||
<edx> edx@codeforce.d2g.com
|
||
<edx> mail the source.. ill compile for the simulator then
|
||
<jedix> k, its off
|
||
<edx> ok
|
||
<jedix> tree.c is only edited so that my function is used
|
||
<edx> where do you come from btw...
|
||
<jedix> ?
|
||
<jedix> what do you mean
|
||
<edx> what country
|
||
<edx> i am German
|
||
<jedix> canada
|
||
<edx> ah.. cool
|
||
<jedix> i'm at "work" right now..
|
||
<edx> (just got your mail)
|
||
<jedix> government for ya..
|
||
<jedix> what do you thing
|
||
<edx> hmm get compiler errors... /fixing at the moment
|
||
<jedix> what are they?
|
||
<edx> like playlist_next undefined.. :/
|
||
<edx> uisw32 error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _usleep referenced in function _lcd_textscroll
|
||
<edx> where is usleep ;)
|
||
<edx> got it
|
||
<jedix> that should be ok
|
||
<edx> oh well.. not really.. :(
|
||
<jedix> ?
|
||
<edx> is that some linux function?
|
||
<jedix> maybe
|
||
<jedix> you could try sleep(1)
|
||
<edx> usleep(80000);
|
||
<edx> ugh..
|
||
<edx> how many msecs are that?
|
||
<jedix> .8 sec
|
||
<edx> when should it be scrolling?
|
||
<jedix> ...
|
||
<jedix> did you replace the other file too?
|
||
<jedix> in apps/ tree.c?
|
||
<jedix> thats the only file that calls it right now
|
||
<edx> yea.. when is it called?
|
||
<jedix> and it will run forever.. so don't overwrite
|
||
<jedix> its only called if you have a recorder I think
|
||
<edx> a player.. you mean?
|
||
<jedix> do you get BROWSE ~~~
|
||
<edx> it is not defined for the recorder lol
|
||
<jedix> instead of Browse
|
||
<jedix> get it to be called and it will scroll
|
||
<jedix> edx: what are you working on?
|
||
<edx> win32 simulator
|
||
<edx> hmm somehow the cvs is fucked up..
|
||
<edx> like stuff wont compile anymore
|
||
<edx> ok.. compile for recorder, right?
|
||
<jedix> yeah
|
||
<edx> lcd_textscroll(0,0,0, "[BROWSE ~~~~browse browse window size]");
|
||
<edx> uhm
|
||
<edx> c:\Programming\CVS Checkout\RockBox\apps\tree.c(135): warning C4013: 'lcd_textscroll' undefined; assuming extern returning int
|
||
<edx> ah.. its outside the simulator define
|
||
<jedix> .. it is defined
|
||
<webmind> question: does the archos mind if i have multiple partitions on it ?
|
||
<edx> hmmm
|
||
<edx> good question
|
||
<edx> try!
|
||
<edx> jedix.. got it to work finally
|
||
<edx> it is some kind of strange:
|
||
<edx> the lcd_putsxy function causes it to break the line if text gets longer than it would fit to the display
|
||
<edx> do you experience the same?
|
||
<jedix> yes
|
||
<edx> ok
|
||
<jedix> but it still scrolls
|
||
<edx> yup.
|
||
<edx> nice.
|
||
<jedix> well, sorta
|
||
<jedix> it doesn't work because it needs to be in a thread
|
||
<jedix> what did you change to get it to work?
|
||
<edx> yea.. anyways scrolling works
|
||
<edx> hmmm
|
||
<edx> you need your own puts function actually..
|
||
<edx> that is without automatic linebreaks..
|
||
<edx> or you cut off the string after a few chars so it needs no line break
|
||
<jedix> could Iwrite it based on putsxy?
|
||
<edx> .. yea certainly..
|
||
<jedix> /* We make the simulator truncate the string if it reaches the right edge,
|
||
<jedix> as otherwise it'll wrap. The real target doesn't wrap. *
|
||
<edx> where is that from?
|
||
<jedix> lcd.c
|
||
<edx> .. found it
|
||
<edx> strange..
|
||
<edx> that's crap
|
||
<edx> simulator doesnt wrap either
|
||
<jedix> i don't know what that means
|
||
<edx> hmm like the simulator cuts off the string (but it doesnt)
|
||
<edx> i think thats for the player..
|
||
<edx> ahh
|
||
<edx> yea thats the player code
|
||
<edx> theres another function for the recurder somewhere
|
||
<edx> hmm i gotta go...
|
||
<edx> later.
|
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<ironi> hello
|
||
<ironi> http://webon.prodat.no/wsp/aasentunet/webon.wsp?func=list&table=CONTENT&func_id=20020606&template=content
|
||
<ironi> have you seent hat?
|
||
<ironi> that
|
||
<jedix> what is it?
|
||
<jedix> oh yeah
|
||
<jedix> that was /.ed
|
||
<ironi> /.ed?
|
||
<jedix> slashdotted
|
||
<ironi> oh ok
|
||
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<-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
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--> PiotR (~piotr@212-170-21-172.uc.nombres.ttd.es) has joined #rockbox
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* Bagder appears
|
||
* adiamas faints
|
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--> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox
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<Bagder> morning Linus
|
||
<Linus> morn
|
||
<Linus> 0x09000ade in ?? ()
|
||
<Linus> (gdb)
|
||
<Linus> NINJA!
|
||
<Bagder> *rockers*
|
||
<Bagder> so it was 11 something MHz?
|
||
<Linus> yep
|
||
<Linus> and i had to wire it correctly...strange :-)
|
||
* Linus gets some coffee
|
||
--- Bagder is now known as Bagder|busy
|
||
<Linus> My first finding when debugging the Recorder target code:
|
||
<Linus> it is not very wise to try to load a BMP file from disk *before* the kernel and ATA is initialized
|
||
<webmind> lol
|
||
<Linus> The Recorder ATA is now WORKING!!!
|
||
--- Bagder|busy is now known as Bagder
|
||
<Bagder> you rock hard Linus
|
||
<Linus> i am a hard rocker, you know... :-)
|
||
<Bagder> lots of long hair ;-)
|
||
<Linus> :-)
|
||
<Linus> what do we do about the logo?
|
||
<Bagder> uh?
|
||
<Bagder> what about it?
|
||
<Linus> My first finding when debugging the Recorder target code:
|
||
<Linus> it is not very wise to try to load a BMP file from disk *before* the kernel and ATA is initialized
|
||
<Bagder> ah
|
||
<Bagder> well, either move that code or just comment it out
|
||
<Linus> it will show pretty late if we show it after the ATA init
|
||
<Bagder> we have the logo internally anyway
|
||
<Bagder> the real one
|
||
<Linus> so why does it load from disk
|
||
<Bagder> in case you want a different one
|
||
<Linus> IC
|
||
<Linus> my lCD doesn't work
|
||
<Bagder> not at all?
|
||
<Linus> or rather, the rockbox code doesn't work
|
||
<Linus> blank
|
||
<Bagder> you didn't even get the ATA: -5 text before?
|
||
<Linus> nope
|
||
<Bagder> weird
|
||
<Linus> sort of
|
||
<Bagder> since the tetris has been proved working for some people
|
||
<Linus> BTW the Recorder schematics is wrong regarding ATA address encoding
|
||
<Bagder> it indicates differences
|
||
<Linus> oh no.....
|
||
<adiamas> if either of you has a binary of the recorder mod ill toss it on mine and see hat i get...
|
||
<adiamas> i haven't built my cross compiler yet
|
||
<Bagder> I don't think Linus has comitted code yet for me to build a working version
|
||
<Linus> oh yes
|
||
<Linus> just comment out the logo stuff
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<Zagor> hey all
|
||
<Bagder> we should fix the "logo stuff" properly
|
||
<Bagder> hey Z
|
||
<Bagder> Linus did it again
|
||
<Zagor> did what?
|
||
<Linus> Zagor: are you alive?
|
||
<Linus> i fixed the ATA bug
|
||
<Zagor> oooh, nice!
|
||
<Zagor> what was it?
|
||
<Linus> i have debug-enabled my recorder
|
||
<Linus> the schematics were wrong
|
||
<Linus> the address decoder wasn't changed as the schematics showed
|
||
<Zagor> aha
|
||
<Linus> so the status register address was wrong
|
||
<Zagor> coolio, so now we can browse dirs on the recorder?
|
||
<Linus> that took 20 seconds to find out...
|
||
<Linus> well no.
|
||
<Linus> my LCD shows nothing
|
||
<Zagor> ??
|
||
<Zagor> empty? no display at all?
|
||
<Linus> no
|
||
<Zagor> hmm, just like what I get with the tetris mod
|
||
<Zagor> have you tried uncommenting the logo display?
|
||
* Linus is debugging in 200MPH
|
||
<Bagder> Zagor: he had to
|
||
<Linus> Zagor: that one is a good one
|
||
<Linus> it tries to load a BMP from disk before the ATA init
|
||
<Linus> even before the kernel init
|
||
<Zagor> duh!
|
||
<Linus> :-)
|
||
<Linus> FREEEEEEZE
|
||
<Bagder> we need to move that
|
||
<Zagor> yeah, obviously :)
|
||
<Zagor> interestingly, elinenbe said he got Tetris running
|
||
<Bagder> can we all say "LCD differences" together? ;-/
|
||
<adiamas> Linus.. is your display jus shot.. or is it the code that won't work?
|
||
<Bagder> the code
|
||
<Linus> adiamas: the LCD works
|
||
<Zagor> Bagder: yeah, but how come he survived the ATA cock-up?
|
||
<adiamas> okay :)
|
||
<Linus> maybe he tried it before the logo code added file-based logos?
|
||
<Bagder> Zagor: didn't you comment out that stuff for the tetris mod?
|
||
<Zagor> no
|
||
<Linus> did he see a logo?
|
||
<Zagor> i don't know
|
||
<Zagor> we have to ask him
|
||
<Bagder> well, we know people have see "ata: -4" and "ata: -5"
|
||
<Bagder> seen
|
||
<Zagor> yes
|
||
<Linus> the LCD code works
|
||
<Linus> it's just that the contrast is wrong
|
||
<Zagor> bwaha!
|
||
<Linus> so the display is very hard to see
|
||
<Zagor> gdb rocks
|
||
<Linus> very much
|
||
<Zagor> so when are you fixing mine? :)
|
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* Bagder cheers, the bug of the week is soon history
|
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<Linus> the ATA bug *is* history
|
||
<Bagder> yah, but I was referring to my own bug of the week ;-)
|
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<Linus> ah, that one...
|
||
<Bagder> been hunting it for many days
|
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<Hadaka> Ooo mama, soon it's rockbox time for my archos as well
|
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<Bagder> Linus: this calls for a grand posting to the list, you know that don't you? ;-)
|
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<Zagor> Linus: will you commit an lcd change, too? so I can rerelease tetris :)
|
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<Bagder> we must move the BMP loading
|
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<Zagor> yes
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<Zagor> the question is, should we first display the rockbox logo and then replace it, or don't display anything until we have mounted the disk? the latter option means it'll take a while longer until anything appears
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<Bagder> use the internal
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<Bagder> imho
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<Zagor> yes, i'm leaning towards that too
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<Bagder> btw, I modified the auto-page to use UTC times and it is ready to get included on the site
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<Zagor> ah, will fix
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<Linus> I'm curious about the LCD contrast setting in the init
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<Linus> it gets totally dark on my LCD
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<Linus> but obviously hasn't on other LCD's
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<Linus> and if we follow the Solomon data sheets, the contrast setting is an iterative process
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<Zagor> totally dark? i get totally blank
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<Linus> we have to repeat the command until the status register says that the command is done
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<Linus> and we don't even have a status read function
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<Bagder> hehe
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<Bagder> so this works by pure coincidence for some ppl then
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<Linus> I changed the setting from 0x30 to 0x20 (which is the power on default)
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<Linus> then ir looked ok
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<Linus> the dir browser pops up, but the buttons don't work
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<Linus> did anyone actually play tetris on it?
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<Linus> alan!
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<alkorr> hi
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<Linus> the ATA works on the recorder now
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<Bagder> Linus: yes, elenbee said he played
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<Zagor> Linus: elinenbe said he did
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<alkorr> it's weird
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<Linus> weird?
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<Zagor> he even complained about the lack of key repeat
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<alkorr> i see you you change 620020306 in 6200206
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<Linus> yes
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<Linus> the schematics seem to be wrong
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<Zagor> brb
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<alkorr> now it seems ATA works, anything working on Recorder ?
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<Bagder> I wanna know that too ;-)
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<Zagor> buh. that's what I get for using windows machines :(
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<Bagder> Linus: can you browse dirs and stuff on the recorder now?
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<Linus> no. the buttons don't work
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<Bagder> !
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<Zagor> i wonder what recorder model elinenbe is using
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<Bagder> yeah
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<alkorr> see you
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<Bagder> see ya lan
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<Bagder> alan
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<Linus> has anyone changed the debounce algorithm lately?
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* Bagder hasn't
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<Bagder> check with cvs ;-)
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<Linus> it polls every 10th tick, that is every 100ms
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<Linus> then it requires that the button is pressed at least 200 polls
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<Linus> that is 20 seconds!!!
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<Linus> haw lame!
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<Zagor|lunch> uh, no linus. it requires 3 polls.
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<Zagor> oh, ah the recorder has special. sorry.
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<Zagor> that's left-over debounce that should just be removed
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<zeffert> you are all disgusting child molesters
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<Bagder> we are?
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<zeffert> ya
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<Zagor> oh no! *worried look*
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--- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Bagder
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<zeffert> i wish you were dead!
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<Zagor> bye
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<zeffert> burn!!!!!!
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<Bagder> we are
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<zeffert> burn!!!!!!!!!!
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--- Bagder sets ban on *!*@*.vic.bigpond.net.au
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<Zagor> that was fun!
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<Bagder> ban number 2
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<Zagor> really? i missed the first
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<Bagder> getting busy ;-)
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<Bagder> you did?
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<Bagder> fun fellow you didn't stop talking spanish in all caps ;-)
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<Zagor> haha
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<Bagder> s/you/who
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<alkorr> re !
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<alkorr> woauh three masters now ! :)
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<Bagder> :-)
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<alkorr> arf I'm the first displayed :)===)
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* Bagder goes to fetch coffee
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<Bagder> damnit, no one breaks the builds anymore ;-)
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<Zagor> i'm working on it, just give me a minute or two
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<Zagor> :)
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<Bagder> good! :-P
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<Zagor> build status is now included in the daily build page
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<Zagor> maybe we should make it narrower somehow. shorter column titles, perhaps
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<Bagder> any suggestions how?
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<Bagder> uh, the showlog.cgi doesn't exist ;-)
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<Zagor> oh, missed that one
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<Zagor> now
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<Bagder> goodie
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<Bagder> spell out that the date/time is UTC/GMT time
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<Zagor> well, which is it? ;)
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<Bagder> UTC is the name formerly known as GMT
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<Zagor> really? I thought they differed in DST handling
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<Bagder> but I guess most people know GMT better
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<Bagder> I don't think so
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<Bagder> btw, how come the order of the daily builds is so strange?
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<Zagor> oh, I need to sort them
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<Bagder> ah, hehe
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<Bagder> is that "my" index.html that shows up?
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<Zagor> yup
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<Bagder> goodie, so I can work on fixing the titles like that
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<Zagor> i'm doing a symbolic link, since SSI can't handle absolute paths or hostnames
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<Bagder> ok
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<Linus> Finally, lunchtime!
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<Bagder> late lunch today
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<Linus> indeed. long meetings
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<Zagor> hehe, linus is trapped in Meeting Hell
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<Bagder> poor guy
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<Linus> Zagor: if you only knew what we were discussing... :-)
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<Zagor> I have a nice poster here: "Don't Like Working? Prefer Talking About It Instead of Doing It? Schedule A Meeting!"
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<Zagor> "The Easy Alternative To Work"
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<Linus> Well, time for lunch!
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<Bagder> narrower look
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<Bagder> more cryptic titles
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<Zagor> yeah, i'll have to add some description
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<Zagor> how about Play, P-old, Rec along with Norm, Debg, Sim
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<Linus|lunch> The button debouncing code requires that the button is pressed for 20 seconds!!! :-)
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<Zagor> Linus|lunch: i just fixed it
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<Linus|lunch> good
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<Zagor> i.e. removed it
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<Bagder> I'll try that
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<Bagder> wider but makes more sensre
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<alkorr> MAS for recorder is still missing ?
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<Bagder> yes
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<Zagor> yes, linus is on the case I believe
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<Linus|lunch> i'm on it
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<Bagder> Linus is the MAS king
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* Bagder bows
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<Linus|lunch> yes, yes, yes. I *am* going to lunch
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<Linus|lunch> i'm waiting for the printer (MAS data sheet)
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<Zagor> go, already!
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<Bagder> now go so we can speak about you ;-)
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<alkorr> hehe
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<Zagor> Bagder: hmm, why are the columns so wide? i can't see why they are any wider than the text they contain.
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<Zagor> "play norm" for instance, is much wider than the title
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<Bagder> I don't know
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<Zagor> try adding "cellpadding=0" to the table tag
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<Bagder> yes
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<Bagder> that's it
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<Bagder> no
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<Zagor> ah, try adding <br> to the titles, to force line breaks. i think that's the thing
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<Hadaka> ew, how about using css and xhtml strict instead of all that?
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<Bagder> wow
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<Bagder> tiny boxes now
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<Bagder> Hadaka: in what way would that help us here and now?
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<Zagor> Hadaka: yeah but some things (like this) are implementation defined
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<Hadaka> well all those cellpadding=0 and br stuff usually can be handled a lot better by clean page design and the stylesheets
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<Zagor> Bagder: keep th for headers, IMO
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<Bagder> yes
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<Bagder> how many lines should I have maximum in the table? 20 fine?
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<Zagor> Hadaka: look at the page. it *is* clean. the fact that browsers maximise cell width even when they wrapped the contents is not defined in CSS nor XHTML
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<alkorr> which page, Zagor ?
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<Zagor> alkorr: the daily builds page
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<Bagder> at the bottom
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<alkorr> oh well all seems to be okay :)
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<Zagor> Bagder: you should be able to kill the cellpadding now, it shouldn't matter much
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<Bagder> in a second
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<Zagor> Hadaka: sorry to sound harsh. I do agree with you in general. :)
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<Hadaka> err, why not just have a stylesheet for the table - and say that the widht of the cell is say about 3em and height is about 1em - then they are all the same width and it's correct for the font
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<alkorr> maybe you could enlarge twice your table, Zagor ?
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<Zagor> Hadaka: because the content will not always be "OK", so then it will break. we want the dynamics too.
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<Zagor> Hadaka: or am I misunderstanding something?
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<Hadaka> why do you want the sizes of the cells changing? I'd guess it would be easier to read if all the widths were the same?
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<Zagor> Bagder: fix us an error, so we can see how that looks
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<Bagder> uh
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<Bagder> that's not that easy to fake in
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<Zagor> ok
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<Bagder> commit a bad file now
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<Bagder> it'll go break in... 7 minutes
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<alkorr> well if you enlarge the width of the table, you can use larger titles, you can or there is reason no to do so ?
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<Zagor> what are you printing, in that case? "Failure" or something else
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<Bagder> Zagor: yes
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<alkorr> FAILED
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<Hadaka> FAIL is what I usually see
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<alkorr> or KO :)
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<Bagder> "Failed" is the word I use
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<alkorr> in red flash
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<Bagder> atm
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<Zagor> alkorr: oooo, no thanks :)
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<Zagor> well i think it's ok now
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<Hadaka> Well I still don't see why the widths have to be dynamic - is it just me that would like to see an aligned and constant width table, instead of varying width for columns
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<Zagor> Is fixed width worth the cost of breaking the table when/if we add a new column or rename a title?
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<Hadaka> um, I don't get that - if the width of each column is like 5em, what's there to break?
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<Bagder> what is 'em' ?
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<Hadaka> in this case the standard width for a character in the current font and font size
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<Zagor> it breaks when we change columns to include "win32sim" and "x11sim", doesn't it?
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<Hadaka> well if the titles are too wide, then ofcourse the width of that column will expand
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<Zagor> so then we are back to dynamic sizing, gaining exactly... what? :)
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<Hadaka> no, we are back to dynamic sizing only if we get too wide titles - which is a problem in itself already - so then we either increase the width of columns to 6em (which should have been in the first case then) - or we just let it wrap the title some more
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<Zagor> ok, so it will work. I guess I just don't see the big advantage.
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<Hadaka> yeah well it doesn't really matter - and especially not worth it if you don't do all the pages that way
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<Zagor> well all the pages use CSS already
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<alkorr> color changes when "failed" ?
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<Zagor> yes, to red
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<Hadaka> well why do you have bgcolors in there if you use CSS?
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<Zagor> for those who don't support CSS
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<Bagder> should I set a class or something there?
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<Zagor> Bagder: you could, then we would be free to play with the look. <table class=buildstatus> for instance
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<Hadaka> yeah
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<Bagder> yes, and "buildok" and "buildfail" for the "boxes" ?
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<Hadaka> then you can do .buildstatus td { width: 4em; } for example
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<Zagor> Bagder: yup
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<Bagder> ok, coming up
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<alkorr> see you later
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<Bagder> should I remove the bgcolor then?
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<Zagor> yes
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<Zagor> Hadaka: sorry, I thought you meant bgcolor for the page...
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<Bagder> there
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<Bagder> you need to make buildok green to make it look similar again
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<Zagor> fixing...
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<Bagder> I set a limit of 20 lines now
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<Zagor> there
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<Zagor> ok, i surrender. width is now 3em :)
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<Hadaka> :)
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<Hadaka> looks nice
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<Bagder> haha
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<Bagder> in fact it looks better
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<Zagor> traitor! ;)
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* Bagder gives Hadaka a pat on the shoulder
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<Hadaka> it should really be the decision of the user... but I would remove the underlining from the links in that build box
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<Zagor> nah, i don't like "invisible" links
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<Hadaka> nods
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<Zagor> Hadaka: can I set a background color that is something like "X percent lighter than the current background"?
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<Hadaka> not easily no
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<Zagor> without using absolute values, that is
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<Zagor> ok
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<Hadaka> you can put a semi-transparent png there though ;)
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<Zagor> ouch :)
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<Bagder> can that be done with the css?
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<Hadaka> yeah :)
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<Hadaka> nods
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<Bagder> woo
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<Hadaka> everything can have a background picture - and a transparent one at that
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<Hadaka> even pieces of text
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<Bagder> ok
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* Bagder is a css cluebie
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--- Linus|lunch is now known as Linus
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<Linus> the button polling is awfully non-responsive
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<Zagor> Linus: as in "does not work"?
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<Hadaka> well if you have mozilla, check out http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/
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<Linus> as in misses keypresses pretty often
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<Zagor> Linus: in normal use, or when you try to make it miss? ;)
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<Bagder> hehe, fun page
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<Linus> when i repeatedly predd DOWN to move the cursor in the dir browser
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<Linus> press
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<Linus> I'll shorten the poll interval to see if it helps
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<Zagor> remember to adjust the repeat values too
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<Linus> ok
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<Zagor> they should probably be calculated from the poll value
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<Linus> roger that
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<Hadaka> then select Edit -> Use style -> default page style or something
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<Hadaka> and see the difference
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<Bagder> that rocks
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* Zagor switches to Mozilla when somebody tells him how to map the keys like Opera has'em
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* Hadaka switches to Opera when opera renders stylesheets as well as Mozilla :)
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<Zagor> hehe
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<Bagder> Zagor: could we have the target mod-builds in a table with three column?
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<Bagder> might shorten the page a bit
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<Zagor> Bagder: sure
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<Linus> I would like a warning count for every build
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<Bagder> you mean visible in the table?
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<Hadaka> Bagder: did you notice from that CSS page btw, that when you scroll down, the semi-transparent box stays put?
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<Bagder> yeah
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<Linus> meybe color-coded in the table, and highlighted in the log
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<Linus> a red OK means "ok with warnings", or something
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<Bagder> the log hilight I've thought about adding, adding it to the table takes a little tweak
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<Linus> The LCD flickers a lot when scrolling the dir browser
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<Bagder> we could have the "OK" text replaced with a number of warnings, would that make sense?
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<Linus> and OK when 0 0warnings
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<Bagder> ah, good
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<Hadaka> well in any case it would need a legend telling what things mean
|
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<Bagder> true
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<Hadaka> but that's already way nice :)
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<Linus> faster button polling helped a lot for the responsiveness
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<Linus> but we need to optimize display updates
|
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<Bagder> its still pretty cool that it works this good without ever have been run on target before
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<Linus> yeah!
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<Bagder> one point to the simulator ;-)
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<Linus> yup
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<Hadaka> I can usually get button presses that are two or three sixtieths of a second - and down to one sixtieth if I try hard enough
|
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<Linus> it is fairly good at 20Hz today
|
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<Linus> but not perfect
|
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<Zagor> well 30Hz shouldn't be that much load anyway, right?
|
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<Linus> no
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<Hadaka> is performance a problem on that thing? what things take a lot of time?
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<Linus> it is polling
|
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<Linus> in an interrupt
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<Zagor> flipping the bits on the MP3 data is the most cpu intesive thing we are today today, I'd say
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<Zagor> but we won't have to do that on the recorder, I hope
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<Linus> probably not
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<Bagder> now watch the table
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<Linus> the button_tick IRQ didn't count the ticks properly
|
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<Zagor> Bagder: warning count?
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<Linus> a POLL_FREQUENCY of 2 made it poll ever 3 ticks
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<Bagder> yah
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<Bagder> 0 => OK
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<Bagder> Zagor: is the cgi a symlink to my one too?
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<Zagor> yep
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<Hadaka> nice :)
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<Bagder> ok, highlight of warnings coming up
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<Bagder> many warnings ;-)
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<Bagder> hm, do we wanna use css and stuff for the showlog.cgi too?
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<Zagor> nah, that's just unformatted text
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<Bagder> it won't be
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<Zagor> :)
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<Bagder> I'll do it html now
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<Zagor> if you make it html, then we should use css
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<Bagder> so tell me what kind of <head> to include to make it work nicely
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<Zagor> look at any other page
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<Zagor> they all have it
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<Bagder> ok
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<Bagder> check it out now
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<Bagder> press a link
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<Bagder> the warnings have "clasee=gccwarn"
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<Zagor> ooh, background :)
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<Bagder> class
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<Zagor> ok, making them red
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<Bagder> shall I have a class for the regular lines too?
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<Zagor> not unless you thing we should do something special with them
|
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<Bagder> nah, it would just make it possible for you to make compiler output to look different than regular text
|
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<Bagder> removed the long prefix from all paths in the output
|
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<Hadaka> you could put all the output inside a div in any case, so padding doesn't have to be put for the body element in general
|
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<Bagder> you mean just <div> all-output </div> ?
|
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<Hadaka> yup
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<Hadaka> and then closing the body and html :)
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<Bagder> oh
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<Hadaka> oh and maybe put a class for the div
|
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<Hadaka> so then we can say .compileroutput { padding: 10px; } or something
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<Zagor> <br class=fubar> doesn't seem to work. at least nothing much happens
|
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<Bagder> suggestion?
|
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<Zagor> i don
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<Bagder> <div> on those lines?
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<Zagor> 't know. Hadaka, shouldn't this work?
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<Linus> Zagor: the ' key is awfully close to ENTER, don't you think?
|
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<Bagder> hehe
|
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<Bagder> thick fingers
|
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<Bagder> :-)
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<Zagor> hehe, yes. plus this damn keyboard has a lot of silly extra keys on it. some windows blahblah
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<Linus> oh, here he goes again...
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<Linus> those keys are far from the ' key
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<Zagor> gotta go, guys. too sunny for me to hack more today :)
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<Zagor> yeah yeah, call me a wuss :)
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<Linus> that's ridiculous
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<Bagder> Zagor: <div> is in place
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<Linus> "laddar batterierna"
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<Zagor> hehe, not quite there yet
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<Zagor> working on it ;)
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<Bagder> now why do I get an extra newline?
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<Hadaka> I can check that soon
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<Bagder> we should be working a bit on removing the warnings
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<Linus> yeah
|
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<Hadaka> hm, should gcc-output be in <pre>?
|
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<Bagder> there's a point in not doing that
|
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<Bagder> and that is that it wraps nicer
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<Hadaka> in any case - br should be between lines - not at the start, nor at the end
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<jedix> hey guys
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<Linus> yo
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<jedix> how stuff?
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<Linus> well, we have the recorder ATA working
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<jedix> ^--is
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<jedix> thats sweet
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<Linus> i'm browsing files as we speak
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<jedix> nice
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<Linus> i am debugging my recorder with GDB
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<jedix> GDB?
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<Linus> over the serial port
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<Linus> Gnu Debugger
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<Hadaka> Woohoo
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<Hadaka> you guys are amazing
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<jedix> do you know how the device handles threads?
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<Linus> i assube that you mean the original archos firmware
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<Linus> assume
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<Linus> no, i don't think they have threads at all
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<jedix> ..yours doesn't?
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<Linus> we have threads
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<Linus> light-weight ones
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<Linus> the scheduler is somewhat primitive, with non-preemptive switching
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<jedix> well, I was trying to get the scrool working.. but right now its in a while(true) loop and I was thinking the best way to handle it would be to make a thread so you can tell it to sleep and such.
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<Hadaka> could we do preemptive with that hardware?
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<Linus> Hadaka: yes. it's a software issue
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<Hadaka> erm, but it's not a software issue if you can't get any interrupts in where to switch the stuff?
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<Hadaka> but I'll just take yes as an answer, since I don't know enuff myself :) thanks
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<Linus> if we didn't have interrupts, we wouldn't need to make it preemptive, true
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<Linus> we have a number of interrupt sources, the serial port, the DMA, the timers...
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<Hadaka> the timers interest me - what do you get from those?
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<Linus> there are a few hardware 16-bit timers that can give compare interrupts
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<Linus> and a very extensive capture functionality
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<Hadaka> mmh, nice
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<Hadaka> on the showlog stuff, you could put some regular padding for the whole body - and then a bit more padding on the div that has the gcc-output - I'd suppose it'd look nice then
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<jedix> damnit
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<Linus> who made chartables.c?
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<jedix> Linus: does the simulator do threads?
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<Linus> no, i don't think so
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<jedix> so, I guess my work is useless
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<Tumm> F<>r jag har tagit studenteeen, fy fan vad jag <20>r b<>st!
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<Tumm> oh sorry
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<Tumm> "Cause i've graduated, I'm so goddamn best"
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<Bagder> Linus: Gary made the chartables
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<Bagder> Hadaka: on the showlog stuff, how do you mean the div should be modified?
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<Hadaka> Bagder: well the div has nothing wrong in it - the first line should not have a br before it though - but the stylesheet should be modified to include padding
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<Hadaka> and the body should have margins - specified both in the stylesheet and on the actual element on the page
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<Linus> Bagder: do you know where they come from. Those array declarations are from hell!
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<Bagder> Linus: I know, Gary brought them, no one changed them
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<Linus> why declare a 1 byte array???
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<jedix> do you guys want the code I put into lcd.c? its not operational, but it could be made so with little effort by someone that knows how the threads run or have a better overview of the project
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<Linus> i know, i know... the font code needs all fonts to be alike...
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<Linus> now we're down to 16 warnings :-)
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<Bagder> I just changed it to build every 20 minute ;-)
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<Linus> jedix: where is it now?
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<Bagder> nice, the extra newline disappeared from the output
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<jedix> Linus: on my hd
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<jedix> do you want it?
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<Linus> yeah. can you mail it? linus@haxx.se
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<jedix> sure
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<jedix> its off
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<Bagder> one by one they go those warnings
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<Linus> kill'em all!!!!!!!
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<Bagder> those ones in chartable are annoying
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<Linus> indeed. i don't want to change them without changing the generator script
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<Linus> i want the source fonts!
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<Bagder> yeah, me too
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<Bagder> it would also make it easier to make the rest of the iso8859-1 chars
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<Bagder> did you find out what the .ejz file is?
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<Linus> no
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<Linus> and it didn't happen again...
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<Bagder> wow
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<Linus> bah
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<jedix> Linus: did you get it?
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<Linus> yup
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<Linus> i'll look into it ASAP
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<jedix> cool, just making sure you got it
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<jedix> anything else I can do?
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<Bagder> I changed the warnings counter to be more accurate
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<Bagder> lowered the amounts
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<Linus> ?
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<Bagder> I only count number of lines with warnings now
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<Bagder> so multiple warnings on the same line is only one
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<Linus> that's cheating
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<Bagder> no
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<Bagder> the description is often multiple line
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<Bagder> check the threads.c:41 warning
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<Bagder> jedix: it is pretty much up to you I guess
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<Linus> But check the mpeg.c:278 warning
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<Linus> that's two different ones
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<Bagder> yes, but the second is just an effect of the first
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<Linus> but can you be sure
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<Bagder> so I think this is closer to reality
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<Bagder> I know
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<jedix> Bagder: I don;t really have a well enough overview of the project to decide what needs to be done, and can be..
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<Linus> Bagder: grep -v "(near"
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<Bagder> well, maybe that's what you can help with! get a grip and present it to the people
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<Bagder> Linus: good point
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<Linus> jedix: and while you're trying to get a grip, point out what's badly documented
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<Linus> hi elinenbe
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<jedix> k
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<elinenbe> hey there
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<elinenbe> anyone want to write my database crash recovery routine?
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<Bagder> me me me!
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<Bagder> :-)
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* Bagder can't even spell databsae
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<elinenbe> well, it needs to be able to recover from a crash, and recover if it crashes while it is recovering :)
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<Bagder> sounds very fun.... not .-)
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<Bagder> Linus: now then, recalculated again ;-)
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<Linus> I just just killed the open() warning
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<Bagder> the big question is, will we reach "OK" ?
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<Linus> Bagder: how to auto-eval in emacs?
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<Linus> hi jas_williams
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<Bagder> auto-eval ?
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<Linus> bye jas_williams
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<Linus> you know, those emacs comments in the bottom of some files
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<Bagder> ah, right
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<Bagder> (setq enable-local-eval t)
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<Bagder> hey, those 2 final ones should be possible to kill too
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<Linus> what os that 'type' parameter supposed to do?
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<Linus> is
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<Bagder> I don't know, I thought it should be an index
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<Linus> is the settings code used yet?
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<Bagder> I don't think so
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<Linus> oh. i looked in it. i guess it's not used. :-)
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<Bagder> hehe
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<Bagder> you should mail the list about you getting the ATA and gdb on recorder working
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<Linus> ok
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<Bagder> it is just so cool
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<Bagder> hey
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<Bagder> I should make a link to the CVS from the file name in the compiler output
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<Bagder> at least for the warnings
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<Bagder> hm, or can really?
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<Bagder> can I
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<Linus> Has anyone tried the playlists yet?
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<Bagder> not to my knowledge
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<Linus> How does it work? Load a M3U file?
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<Bagder> I'll work on them some more soonish
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<Bagder> yes
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<Bagder> make a .m3u file
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<Bagder> browse there, play it
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<Linus> how does such a file look like?
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<Bagder> plain file names
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<Bagder> use full path names
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<Linus> ok. i'll try it...
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<Bagder> LF or CRLF separated
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<Bagder> currently it does no shuffle or anything but plays from track 0 and onwards
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<Linus> ok
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<Bagder> at least that's the intension ;-)
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<Bagder> gotta go
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<Bagder> see ya
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<Linus> gotta go now. cu guys!
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<elinenbe> hey there!
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<elinenbe> I still think rockbox should be called...
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<elinenbe> "Supa' Pang!"
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<datazone> why not "Frink Cheep Cheep"
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<huz> hello
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<huz> since i've put rockbox i can't connect my archo to my pc
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<huz> someone have had this problem ?
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<huz> ok,i haven't time yet, but i'll come back, because how we say in france :
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<huz> je suis dans la merde !
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<huz> re
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<huz> i'm under windows now, and the problem is the same
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<huz> please i _really_ need help
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<huz> youuuhouuu i think i've a big problem ! can you give me a way to resolv it please youhou
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<huz> \0/ _0_ \0/ _0_ \0/ _0_ \0/ _0_
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<huz> ok i've found ! we must start archos connected to pc now ... maybe a note in the documentation will be great, don't you think ?
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<ironi> aloha
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<g003y2> anyone compiling the 1.0 firmware with cygwin/win2k?
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<ironi> i was about to, but i guess i needed a good tutorial
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<ironi> (saying that the one on the page is confusing"
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<g003y2> well I think I'm close now
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<ironi> qand needs to be updated
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<ironi> well
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<g003y2> I got everything compiled fine, but it seems like I'm missing something on my include path
|
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<ironi> k
|
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<ironi> and you got it from the tutorial?
|
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<g003y2> yeah
|
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<g003y2> I followed it exactly except I don't have a "linus" home dir :D
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<g003y2> I got the tools for sh1 compiles in place.
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<g003y2> it is now just a matter of getting the whole process to recognize /usr/include for the standard c libs
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<ironi> i see
|
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<ironi> wel i think a new package could be nice
|
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<g003y2> I know i'm just being dense about it :D
|
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<ironi> weher eyou can just unpack the latest source and unpack it to a certain folder and tun a batch file to complie the wqhole thing
|
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<g003y2> yeah a batch file for the GNU-SH tool kit would've been nice.
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<ironi> well of i go
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<g003y2> alright cya
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<ironi> 'nite
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<adam> hey
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<adam> http://remix.kwed.org/ == cool
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<adam> oh well
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<adam> beer > my conciousness
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