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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 21 22:49:19 2002
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--> adiamas (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-88.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) has joined #rockbox
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--- Topic for #rockbox is Does your box rock? http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
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--- Topic for #rockbox set by Bagder at Mon May 13 04:46:28
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--- You are now known as adi|home
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--- dw|gone is now known as dwihno
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<dwihno> Hail to the almighty LINUS!: D
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<Linus> Yo!
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<Linus> Where did you order your Archos? And did you order a Recorder?
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<dwihno> I ordered it from Dustin
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<dwihno> Yeah, a recorder model
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<dwihno> I also ordered myself a new "dual optical" mouse from logitech ;D
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<Linus> Nice.
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<dwihno> yeah :)
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<dwihno> I just hope my expectations won't fail me ;)
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<Linus> Me too.
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<adi|home> weclome back all :)
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<dwihno> thanks
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<Linus> Hi adi!
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<dwihno> I might get it today
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<dwihno> (that is, if I'm _EXTREMELY_ lucky) ;)
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<PsycoXul> btw the archos firmware does handle being turned off somehow, because custom firmware won't turn off with the power plugged in but archos firmware will
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<Linus> Oh. That's something we'll have to look into
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<dwihno> PsycoXul: how extensivly have you been testing the new code on the actual hardware?
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<PsycoXul> well lets see i threw it on there last night and didn't past ata_init() so uh not very? :p
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<Linus> Strange, that thing with the ATA...
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<Linus> PsycoXul: have you opened your box?
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<PsycoXul> no
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<Linus> Ok.
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<dwihno> heheh
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<dwihno> Well, try to have a positive perspective - you at least got to ata_init() :)
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<dwihno> Was it the first test on actual hardware you performed last night?
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<PsycoXul> i've played with little pieces of code on the hardware a good amount
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<dwihno> cool :)
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--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
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<Bagder> hey ho
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<dwihno> Hello Bagder! :D
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<Linus> Yo Bagder!
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<Bagder> oh crap, Linus got here before me!!! :-)
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<dwihno> :D
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<dwihno> He was here REALLY early!
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<dwihno> 07:38 <Linus> Yo!
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<dwihno> You can't beat that! :D
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<Bagder> hehe
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<Bagder> I'm pretty often at work before that actually
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<Linus> But then he's so tired he can't even read or speak. :-)
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<Bagder> its just a matter of coffee amounts :)
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<dwihno> Hehe
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<dwihno> The caffeine is your friend! :D
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<dwihno> <-- just had his third cup of coffee
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<Linus> Bj<42>rns donated player has an old display after all
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<Bagder> ah
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<Linus> Version 4.13
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<Bagder> did you get anything displayed on it?
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<Linus> Stone dead.
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<Linus> And the 4.13 display is stone dead when I pair it with Bj<42>rns old CPU board.
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<dwihno> It's stone'd ;)
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<adi|home> btw... zagor stated 'the firmware should never exit'
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<adi|home> so we #defined the uisim to use the off button...
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<adi|home> but on the player and the recorder.. does the firmware trap the off button or what?
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<adi|home> i mean how else do you turn the unit off?
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* Bagder has no clue
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* adi|home draws a target on Bagder's forehead then poke's him in the bullseye
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<adi|home> speak of the devil...
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<Linus> I think the hardware traps the off button
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<adi|home> hey.. zag
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<Zagor> eeeello
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<adi|home> <adi|home> btw... zagor stated 'the firmware should never exit'
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<adi|home> <adi|home> so we #defined the uisim to use the off button...
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<adi|home> <adi|home> but on the player and the recorder.. does the firmware trap the off button or what?
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<adi|home> <adi|home> i mean how else do you turn the unit off?
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<Linus> eieio
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<adi|home> like 20 secs ago
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<adi|home> and sometimes y
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<Zagor> ah
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<dwihno> YAY!
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<Zagor> well we don't know for sure
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<dwihno> My Archos is in Ume<6D> now!
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<Zagor> the recorder seems to simply go into powersave mode and not actually turn off 100%
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<dwihno> I'm gonna get it today! :D
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<dwihno> Oh joy!
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<adi|home> really? thats just weird
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<adi|home> and the player?
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* dwihno starts bouncing around like a a playfull puppu
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<dwihno> puppy ;)
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<Zagor> i don't know. we need to do some measurements
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<Linus> I don't think it's weird that it goes into powersave mode
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* adi|home puts newspaper under dwihno
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<Linus> That way it can keep the settings in RAM
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<adi|home> no.. what i mean is.. sholdn't both units?
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<adi|home> i mean, why wouldn't the player as well?
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<Linus> i dunno
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<Linus> Maybe they designed it in a hurry
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<adi|home> keep those answers up.. and im giving you a target too...
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<adi|home> ;)
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<Linus> maybe the LCD display has no powersave mode
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<Linus> who knows?
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* adi|home nods
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<adi|home> okay.. im off to bed then.. long day tomorrow.
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<Zagor> night!
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<dwihno> sweet dreams
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<Linus> COFFEEEEEE!
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<dwihno> I'm way ahead of you Linus! :) Got my 4th cup!
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<adi|home> and also.. its E.M.S. appreciation week here in the States.. so appreciate me damn it!
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* adi|home giggles like a school girl
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<Bagder> EMS?
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<adi|home> Emergency Medical Services
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<Bagder> aha
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<adi|home> ppl that work on ambulances
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<adi|home> volunteers here mostly
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* Bagder appreciates ambulance-adiamas for a while
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<adi|home> hehehe
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* adi|home puffs up his chest proudly
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<adi|home> nite agin
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<Linus> Gah!
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<Linus> The "new" display works with the "new" CPU board
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<Linus> So we night have *three* display types on our hands!
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<Bagder> hmrpmf
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<Zagor> or at least combining old new cpu with old display wasn't as simple as we thought
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<Linus> Or it might be that it has nothing to do with the LCD at all.
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<Linus> Just incompatible boards
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<Linus> But how????
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<Linus> I wonder what's different...
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<Zagor> don't worry about that too much, it's not like anyone else is going to attempt it...
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<Linus> True. I'm just curious
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<Bagder> you should still write down or post your findings, so that we have them saved for the future
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<Linus> And we still need to debug a New(tm) Player to find out what's different with the ATA interface
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<Zagor> yes
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<Linus> Yo wav!
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<wavey> howdy linus
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* Bagder crawls off to get coffee
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<dwihno> 1x2
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<dwihno> I want my archos NOW!!! :)
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<dwihno> What are you people going to eat for lunch today?
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<Bagder> I think I'm up for chinese today
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<dwihno> yum
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<dwihno> noodles is always nice
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<dwihno> NASIGORENG!
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<Zagor> today is sushi day
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<Zagor> btw, guys, I managed to exchange a few words with Tumm yesterday. he exists! ;)
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* Bagder faints
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<dwihno> Eww! Sushi! That's like, dead fish!
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<Linus> Well. It's almost alive!
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<dwihno> Fried fish = yum yum
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<Zagor> barely dead :)
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<Linus> Wonderful!
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<Linus> Delicious!
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<Bagder> I wish we had a sushi place around here
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<dwihno> I wish I never have to see the evilness of the sushi
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* dwihno sends some abborre-sushi to Zagor
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--- Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch
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--- Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor
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--- Linus|lunch is now known as Linus
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<Zagor> PsycoXul: you here?
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<PsycoXul> yeah
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<Zagor> have you opened your archos?
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<PsycoXul> heh
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<PsycoXul> no i haven't
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<Zagor> ok. we're having a theory that perhaps your harddisk is jumpered as "slave"
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<PsycoXul> fun
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<Zagor> it's not so bad, we just have to deal with it in ata_init() if that's the case. but it's a bit tricky to find out without opening your archos... :)
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<PsycoXul> heh
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<PsycoXul> well i need to back it up [actualy mostly reorganize my HD copies to match the structure on the archos just so i can see that it really is backed up], and take it to best buy to get it serviced so they can remove the sticker and i don't have to worry about it
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<PsycoXul> i wasn't planning on opening it till after that
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<Zagor> well maybe you don't have to. we could try just patching your code a bit and see what happens
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<Zagor> stand by :)
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<PsycoXul> the power plugin does need to be resoldered or something i think, if i bump it while its plugged in it'll lose the contact
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<PsycoXul> but i can't test anything till tomorrow... gotta juggle HD's in a win98 box next to me to boot it to linux with my sh1 dev stuff and its too late tonight to be getting into that...
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<Zagor_> :-(
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<PsycoXul> and i'm hopping in the shower now heh
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<Zagor_> when you get the chance, try changing SELECT_LBA to 0x50 in ata.c
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<PsycoXul> ok
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<PsycoXul> well i'll go take a shower and if its not too late after that then maybe i can
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<Bagder> PsycoXul: where are you, geograpicly?
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<Zagor> pacbell.net hints US
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<dwihno> I GOT MY ARCHOS IN MY HAND!
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<Bagder> try the demos! ;-)
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<dwihno> hm
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<dwihno> how do I connect it? ;)
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<Bagder> to what?
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<dwihno> To the PC
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<dwihno> It just says charging
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<dwihno> no "hello USB" thingy
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<Zagor> yay, that was fast
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<Linus> dwihno: turn it on
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<dwihno> Trying
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<dwihno> It just says "charging batteries"
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<Linus> Hold ON down for a few secs
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<Zagor> dwihno: go to groups.yahoo.com and join the archosjukebox6000 group. then read the faq there, it will answer your 20 first questions :-)
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<dwihno> Help me out, I don't wanna search no mail list! :(
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<Linus> How long did you press ON?
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<Zagor> keep it down 5-10 seconds
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<dwihno> <09>jj, nu h<>nde det grejer
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<dwihno> Windows won't say hello USB
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<Zagor> you need to install the driver from the cd
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<Zagor> uh, maybe not
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<Zagor> i was thinking about the old archos :)
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<Zagor> which windows do you have?
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* Bagder has glass windows ;-)
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<Linus> You do have to install a driver if you have Win98
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<Zagor> yeah, I guess we can't expect MSWindows to follow specifications... ;*)
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<Bagder> ah they do, just not the SAME specifications ;-)
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<dwihno> <-- is ejaculating
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<dwihno> <-- is ejaculating
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<dwihno> <-- is ejaculating
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<dwihno> <-- is ejaculating
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<dwihno> <-- is ejaculating
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<dwihno> <-- is ejaculating
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<dwihno> DAMN
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* Zagor puts dwihno in a cool shower
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--- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Bagder
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<dwihno> :)~
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<dwihno> Worth every wooden nickle
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<Linus> Didn't we tell you? :-)
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<Bagder> now, rip it up and make that serial port work for debugging B-P
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<Zagor> haha
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<Linus> hihi
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<Linus> Bagder: why don't you??? :-)
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<Bagder> well, no recorder has so far
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<Bagder> not even you guys
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<Bagder> right?
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<dwihno> hahahaha
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<dwihno> damn
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<dwihno> whoa
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<Zagor> right
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<dwihno> <-- gets a glass of water...
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<dwihno> I'll be damned! DAMN DAMN DAMN! :)
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<Linus> Don't spill it!!!
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<Bagder> get over your head ;-)
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<Bagder> poor it even
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<Zagor> pour
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* Zagor is the spelling police, too
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<Bagder> hey, I can't type
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<Bagder> so then I shall not speel correct either ;-)
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<dwihno> haha
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<dwihno> :)
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<dwihno> Win2k said: "Hello USB" and installed it as a mass storage device without any extra drivers
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<Zagor> good
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<Zagor> where are our win32 developers? it's been awfully quiet lately
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<PsycoXul> back
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<dwihno> Whoa
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<dwihno> whoa whoa whoa
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<PsycoXul> yeah i'm in the US, california
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<dwihno> Oh my god
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<Bagder> Zagor: indeed, the win32 simulator is now lagging behind
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<PsycoXul> bah
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<PsycoXul> win32 people aren't *real* developers anyways :p
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<Bagder> hehe
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<Zagor> adiamas spilled the beans in the yahoo forum a couple of days ago and now everyone is very interested. a win32 simulator would be good soon
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<Bagder> hey!
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<PsycoXul> yeah
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<Bagder> we're now 101 subscribers
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<Bagder> on the rockbox list
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<Zagor> and <1 msg/day :-)
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<Bagder> yeah
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<dwihno> *copy files*
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<Zagor> PsycoXul: can you test now?
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<dwihno> The speed is quite alright for being a USB 1.1 computer I'm using
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<Bagder> dwihno: hehe that'll keep you busy for a while
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<Linus> dwihno: do you have USB2.0 on your computer?
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<Linus> ah
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<dwihno> Getting files from work -> home will never be a problem again ;)
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<Bagder> sure it will, you won't have room for with all those mp3s on it ;-)
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<PsycoXul> heh
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<dwihno> hehe
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<PsycoXul> Zagor: just booted over
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<Zagor> PsycoXul: meaning?
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<PsycoXul> you know i think most of the problems i have with this thing over USB is due to trying it when the batteries low
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<Zagor> yeah that's a bad idea
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<PsycoXul> Zagor: meaning i'm copying the test file now
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<Zagor> ok
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<PsycoXul> well
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<PsycoXul> usualy when i plug it in the batteries like half way
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<PsycoXul> to USB i mean
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<PsycoXul> and then i copy files and after several times in one session it starts having problems
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<PsycoXul> using it as a USB HD seems to eat the batteries really quick
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<PsycoXul> hmmm
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<Zagor> yeah, always keep the power cable connected in usb mode
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<PsycoXul> like now the batteries shouldn't be very low but it may have stalled on the copy already
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<dwihno> For how many hours do the batteries last?
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<dwihno> 10 hours?
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<Zagor> roughly, yes
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<dwihno> mkay
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<PsycoXul> i estimate 5-10 hours depending bitrate, settings, volume, how much you mess with it
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<dwihno> mess?
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<PsycoXul> if you press buttons a lot
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<dwihno> you mean, use it as a USB harddrive?
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<PsycoXul> have the backlight on much
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<PsycoXul> etc
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<PsycoXul> dwihno: yeah
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<PsycoXul> er
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<PsycoXul> no
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<dwihno> amongst other things
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<PsycoXul> dwihno: i mean if you set up a 10 hour playlist, start it, stick it in your pouch/pocket and then don't touch it till it goes dead
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<PsycoXul> dwihno: it'll last a long longer than if you play some songs, then browse around and play some more, etc
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<dwihno> mkay
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<dwihno> Will the unit start to fux0r if I change the hard disk label?
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<PsycoXul> nah
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<PsycoXul> one of the first things i did :p
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<dwihno> heh
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<dwihno> insanity! is the label now
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<dwihno> :)
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<dwihno> 20 gigs of music in your pocket is nothing but pure insanity
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<PsycoXul> yep
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<PsycoXul> its true
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<PsycoXul> just wait
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<PsycoXul> its like your life suddenly got a soundtrack :p
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<dwihno> :)
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<dwihno> Oh my fucking G.O.D!
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<Zagor> dwihno: 20 gigs? bah, 40 here. and there's 60 gig disks out now.
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<dwihno> whoa
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<dwihno> Zagor: suck my dick :)
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<Zagor> no thanks :)
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<PsycoXul> heh
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<dwihno> I'll sync it against my collection at home tonight
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<PsycoXul> ok
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<PsycoXul> Zagor: no change
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<Zagor> hmm
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<Linus> PsycoXul: you mean the ATA slave test?
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<Zagor> yes
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<Linus> bah!
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<Zagor> hmm, we must do a device select before we start polling status...
|
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<Linus> Dont we do that now?
|
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<Zagor> nopp
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<Linus> But the ATA interface must be initialized already?
|
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<Zagor> i'll try and adapt the master/slave check code I have in the isd200 driver...
|
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<Zagor> hmm, you're right
|
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<Zagor> still, it just doesn't work
|
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<dwihno> Whoa
|
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<dwihno> I wanna go hoooome! :)
|
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<dwihno> Listen to music! :)
|
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<dwihno> I love the audio quality
|
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<Zagor> have you been able to hear the buzz yet=
|
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<Zagor> ?
|
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<dwihno> Didn't try
|
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<PsycoXul> i get a buzz while my studio20's charging sometimes... it comes and goes and when it comes i can't get rid of it and when it goes i can't make it do it, but its from the unit itself and not the headphones heh
|
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<Zagor> oh
|
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<Zagor> are you using the stock charger?
|
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<PsycoXul> yes
|
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<Zagor> it could be voltage related
|
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<PsycoXul> its no big deal and i only get it sometimes
|
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<dwihno> I'll try to get the buzz tonight
|
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<dwihno> Damn
|
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<dwihno> The bass is exquisite!
|
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<dwihno> My EXP101 is WAY out!
|
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<Zagor> dwihno: you can probably "force" the buzz by only inserting the headphone plug half-way
|
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<Zagor> still, if you can't hear it why look for it :)
|
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<dwihno> hehe
|
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<dwihno> true, true
|
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<dwihno> You will not find the force, the force will find you!
|
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<dwihno> Reverse that sentence and imagine Yoda saying it ;)
|
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<PsycoXul> find the force you will not, find you it will
|
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<dwihno> :)
|
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<dwihno> :-)
|
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* dwihno sighs
|
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<PsycoXul> but yeah
|
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<PsycoXul> anything else i should try today?
|
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<dwihno> How long time does it take to charge it?
|
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<Zagor> dwihno: a long time. leave it overnight at least
|
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<Zagor> it handles it intelligently, so there's no problem leaving it too long
|
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<dwihno> Ah, sure
|
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<PsycoXul> yeah but don't leave it too too long especialy if you use the stock adapter
|
|||
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<dwihno> How come?
|
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<PsycoXul> cause its an unregulated piece of shit adapter that i guess provides more power than the unit needs to start with, and especialy once its charged, that extra power gets put out as heat
|
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<PsycoXul> some people have damaged their units with that
|
|||
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<PsycoXul> mine's gotten hotten than i'm comfortable with a couple times
|
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<PsycoXul> hotter
|
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<dwihno> ah
|
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|
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<dwihno> does it tell when the charging is finished?
|
|||
|
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<Zagor> yes
|
|||
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<PsycoXul> yeah
|
|||
|
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<dwihno> and how many hours does a typical charge take?
|
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<dwihno> the green led goes blank when it's fully charged?
|
|||
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<Zagor> no the display says "Charging complete"
|
|||
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<Zagor> the green led is hardwired to power-on
|
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<PsycoXul> i dunno about recorders, but my player says "charged" instead of "charging..." and you can also hear the HD spin up
|
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|
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<Zagor> the recorder does not spin the hd
|
|||
|
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<PsycoXul> huh
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> the "charging complete, let's dissipate excess power via spinning hd" seems to be a new-players-only thing
|
|||
|
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<dwihno> mkay
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> Should I upgrade to the newsest firmware?
|
|||
|
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<Zagor> which version do you have?
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> lemme check... where do I do that?
|
|||
|
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<Zagor> menu->firmware
|
|||
|
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<Bagder> who cares about firmware versions, we need rockbox ;-)
|
|||
|
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<dwihno> hehe
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> rockbox is still just a dream
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> Rockbox - Because dreams will come true!
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> There's a slogan you can use ;)
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> you know it *seriously* seems like the players firmware was a hacked together bare minimal with a few things thrown in cause they were easy, and i *swear* they anticipated a project to replace it
|
|||
|
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<PsycoXul> to me anyways :p
|
|||
|
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<dwihno> you might be right
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> i doubt they anticipated anyone replacing it. then why would the scramble it? I agree on the "hacked together" part, though
|
|||
|
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<dwihno> ask the firmware developers
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> i couldn't tell you why they scramble it
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> it doesn't seem to actualy accomplish anything anyways :p
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> it would appear they explicity wanted something like this to never happen...
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> 1.26
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> mar 10 2002
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> that's the firmware
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> dwihno: I think there's a 1.27 out. try it if you feel like it.
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> I'm using 1.24. can't be bother with their mini changes
|
|||
|
|
* Bagder has 1.25b
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> so you guys got anything else for me to test today or can i throw the normal firmware on there and call it a day? heh
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> PsycoXul: we're done for now, I think. i'll test some stuff on my end first.
|
|||
|
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<PsycoXul> ok
|
|||
|
|
<Bagder> there's a 1.27c available
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> Where do you find the firmware?
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> I'm trying to find, but can't!
|
|||
|
|
<Bagder> http://www.archos.com/us/download_drivers.html
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> ah
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> thanks
|
|||
|
|
<Bagder> "archos recorder firmware" on google showed that as first choice
|
|||
|
|
<Bagder> the rockbox link was only on third place ;-)
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> Yeah! :D
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> ok
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> i descrambled/hexedited/rescrambled the archos firmware and changed 'CHARGE' to 'FUX0RZ' and 'CHARGING' to 'FUX0RING' etc
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> haha
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> and put it on, booted it, shut it off, plugged it in just to see
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> and it still says CHARGE, CHARGING
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> :)
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> hm
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> so apparently firmware upgrades don't effect its charging stuff
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> stupid :/
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> ah, no. not unless you first start the firmware then plug in the charger
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> which makes sense to me since it doesn't boot up from the HD to charge
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> In what way is the firmware scrambled? :) XOR?
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> no it's a bit more than that
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> heh
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> they used the old "swap bus pins" trick, only in software instead of hardware
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> (?)
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> swap bus pins?
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> ok so i turned it on and plugged it in and then turned it off and it still says CHARGE heh
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> they seem to have a lot of unused stuff in their firmware upgrades
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> don't turn it off
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> when you turn it off it reverts to rom
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> well when its on it just displays the normal interface and the battery indicator just moves
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> dwihno: yeah, if you swap the bus pins to the ROM, the contents of the ROM becomes scrambled without you actually having to unscramble it
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> Femton pirater <20> en flaska m<> rooooom! :D
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> so i'll never see those messages heh
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> PsycoXul: ah, silly me
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> Zagor: mkay
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> Zagor: in quiet parts of the songs, I hear a faint buzz noise...
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> I can live with it though
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> i was mainly just wondering how "fixed battery charged issue" ended up on the feature list of a firmware upgrade... so now we know just cause they say they added it doesn't necessarily mean it'll have any effect for an upgrade :p
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> i guess you're right
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> PsycoXul: umm, feel like testing some more? ;)
|
|||
|
|
* Zagor ducks
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> What's with that digital serial thing? Are they trying to disable something?
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> heh
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> dwihno: what do you mean?
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> sure, except i just booted that box back to win98 so i can't compile anything for it heh
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> PsycoXul: if i select slave, I get the same 00 status response as you get
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> so we should probably we checking master/slave the first thing we do
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> Zagor: Well, I read something about some serial thing and DMCA... And the link said something about making digital copies... I thought they might be trying to disable digital copying...
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> ok
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> hey its kindof funny
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> i've got this song called 'descramble'
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> its the DeCSS source code, sang
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> dwihno: ah, yes. like everyone selling stuff in the US they must obey silly rules. but there are ways around the SCMS. (it's in the FAQ ;)
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> dwihno: but it's only over the SPDIF interface anyway. and nobody uses that
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> with the chorus "the dmca steps me... i don't like the dmca, it makes this song illegal"
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> PsycoXul: lol
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> :)
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> er "steps on me"
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> its bad recording, bad quality, bad performance but its kinda catchy :p
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> i like the lyrics...
|
|||
|
|
* Bagder thinks songs by "decoded feedback" kind of fits on mp3
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> how can you not love a song that starts off with
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> "this function is void.. it takes to args"
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> Zagor: Nothing about SCMS in the FAQ :/
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> :p
|
|||
|
|
<Bagder> hehehe
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> s/to/two/
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> :-)
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> DMCA steps on me... i don't like the dmca it makes this song illegal, oooh... dmca, it steps on me and makes this song illegal, makes this song illegal
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> PsycoXul: You need coffee.
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> eye dew gnot.
|
|||
|
|
* dwihno hands PsycoXul a steaming hot cup d<> coffee
|
|||
|
|
* PsycoXul hands it back, thanks anyways heh
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> coffee's nasty stuff man :p
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> and it pisses me off that innocent pot smokers are going to jail while everyone from gradeschoolers to their parents are hooked on caffiene :p
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> hehe
|
|||
|
|
<Linus> Gotta go. Bye folks!
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> You haven't made a 'scroll faster' patch yet? :)
|
|||
|
|
<Bagder> bye Linus
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> nobody's doing patches :p
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> besides maybe archos heh
|
|||
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<-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox
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<dwihno> hehe
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> I'll do my own patch ;D
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> sure
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> while you're at it, whip up some DSP code for PCM and ogg support
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> so i saw this new portable thing out
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> with 10G
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> can play mp3/wav but thats only a feature
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> works as usb master and slave, has ethernet and pc card
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> so what "thing" is it?
|
|||
|
|
<Bagder> gotta run, see ya
|
|||
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<-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox
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<Zagor> bye
|
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<Zagor> gah, too late :)
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/gadgets/57a3.shtml
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> that thing
|
|||
|
|
<dwihno> it's rather sexy
|
|||
|
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<dwihno> but it's not an archos
|
|||
|
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<dwihno> archos is godsent!
|
|||
|
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<Zagor> ah, a harddisk with a display. how cute :)
|
|||
|
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<dwihno> rockbox is the archangel, sent to thame the archos!
|
|||
|
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<PsycoXul> its size is kindof odd
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> 7"x3.2"x1"
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> the price is, ehm, high
|
|||
|
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<PsycoXul> yeah
|
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<Zagor> hey, alan!
|
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<alkorr> hello people
|
|||
|
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<PsycoXul> its LCD sounds like its charcell too... says 20 chars x 4 lines
|
|||
|
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<alkorr> you are fast :)
|
|||
|
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<Zagor> like lightning :)
|
|||
|
|
<alkorr> speaking about your project :)
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> but its got some interesting features
|
|||
|
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<PsycoXul> such as ability to use alkaline, ni-mh, or a li-ion battery pack
|
|||
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<alkorr> Psyco, what are you speaking about ?
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> can act as a usb master, has 10mb ethernet, pcmcia, and composite video out for viewing still images
|
|||
|
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<PsycoXul> heh
|
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|
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<PsycoXul> alkorr: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/gadgets/57a3.shtml
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> terapin mine
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> its rather long at 7" though, "20 char x 4 line" lcd doesn't sound impressive, nor does 6 buttons, and costing so much for only 10G
|
|||
|
|
<alkorr> looks very interesting if it was not its price
|
|||
|
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<Zagor> ga-zing-ga. file browser running on my 6k.
|
|||
|
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<PsycoXul> what'd be more interesting is if they sold them cheap without HD's
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> yeah, it's kind of a mix between an archos and a handheld. not being especially good for either
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> but being that its geared towards being a data storage device, they probably wouldn't do that heh
|
|||
|
|
<alkorr> well I prefer a graphical lcd
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> unghh... sourceforge's CVS server seems to have bonked
|
|||
|
|
<alkorr> ???
|
|||
|
|
<PsycoXul> yeah
|
|||
|
|
<alkorr> bonked ? what does mean ?
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> it doesn't respond right now
|
|||
|
|
<Zagor> bonked = died, sort of
|
|||
|
|
<alkorr> ok
|
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<Zagor> apparently it didn't like my latest patch :)
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<PsycoXul> i feel like i got shortchanged on this little 11x2 charcell thing, i've seen $10 games at walmart with better displays heh
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<Zagor> hehe
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<alkorr> arf
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<Zagor> ah, it's up again
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<PsycoXul> but at least it does display stuff
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<PsycoXul> there's so many players on the market that don't even have standard mp3 player features
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<Zagor> PsycoXul: is yours a studio 10 or 20?
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<PsycoXul> studio20
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<PsycoXul> http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/gadgets/5a1a.shtml
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<Zagor> ok
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<Zagor> hey, it can almost fit the rockbox logo! ;)
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<PsycoXul> hey thats kinda interesting... if you hooked an IR port into the serial port on your archos with custom firmware and then used that
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<PsycoXul> get a joystick and mini keyboard and extra display
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<PsycoXul> heh
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<Zagor> yep. there's lots of cool stuff to be done on the archos
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<alkorr> hum... interesting...
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<dwihno> :)
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* dwihno takes everybody down to earth again
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<dwihno> :)
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<alkorr> you dreamreaper :)
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<Zagor> who'll be first with a keyboard->archos adapter? :)
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--- dwihno is now known as DreamReaper
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<DreamReaper> Mohahaha!
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<DreamReaper> The Archos will NEVER be more than a music box! :D
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<DreamReaper> *evil laughter*
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<Zagor> you forgot tetris :)
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<alkorr> a PC keyboard should not be a problem
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<dwihno> haha
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<dwihno> Tetris is a toy for kids :)
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<PsycoXul> Zagor: i keep thinking of a bi-directional IR via serial port
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<alkorr> if your archos has the external serial line
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<Zagor> PsycoXul: yeah, unfortunately bidir requires hw mod
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<PsycoXul> yeah i know
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<PsycoXul> i do plan on making hw mods eventualy
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<dwihno> hm
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<dwihno> bettery charged
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<dwihno> So it's full now, eh?
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<alkorr> please, consider my idea
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<PsycoXul> which idea is that
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<alkorr> there is the Linus' serial tool that we can connect between an archos and PC
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<PsycoXul> yeah
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<alkorr> if we have a PS/2<->serial adaptor
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<alkorr> it should be virtually possible to connect a PC keyboard
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<PsycoXul> heh
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<alkorr> no ?
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<alkorr> a PC keyboard sends 1200 baud, no parity, 8 bit, 1 start, 1 stop
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<alkorr> am i wrong ?
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<alkorr> so jukebox should be able to receive scancodes and handles it
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<PsycoXul> i've got 3 ps/2-serial adapters, but all 3 are made to plug into a serial port
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<PsycoXul> and linus' serial adapter i'm guessing is also made to plug into a serial port
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<alkorr> jukebox has no PC serial plug
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<Zagor> ah, hi again :)
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<alkorr> you need to have an intermediate
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<PsycoXul> i know
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<PsycoXul> thats what linus' adapter does right?
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<PsycoXul> heh
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<dwihno> <-- is off - no more "work" today ;D
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<alkorr> yeah
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<alkorr> ah okay youre speaking about adapter
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<PsycoXul> yeah the rs232 converter
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<Zagor> then you just need the serial->archos adapter from the web page
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<Zagor> PsycoXul: yup
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<PsycoXul> which kind of rs232 port does that have? the kind like is on the computer on the kind like plugs into the computer? heh
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<Zagor> it's db9 -> 3.5mm plug
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<PsycoXul> i seem to recall somebody at some point saying they'd put pictures up of the thing
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<Zagor> dumdidum, that was never me was it? :*)
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<PsycoXul> Zagor: yes but i mean does it plug into the host port or do you plug a serial cable between the host port and the converter port or what?
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<PsycoXul> Zagor: can you plug a serial device into it
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<PsycoXul> or is it itself a serial device to be plugged in
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<Zagor> it plugs into the PC and into the archos
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<PsycoXul> i mean on the pc side
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<PsycoXul> does it have the 9 pins or the 9 holes? heh
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<alkorr> a stand serial wire
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<alkorr> standard
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<alkorr> wire between PC and adapter is female
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<alkorr> unless Linus inverted it
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<PsycoXul> so the rs232 converter's PC-style port is just like what you have on the back of your PC? heh
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<alkorr> well if not the good one, just buy a male-female adapter :)
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<PsycoXul> thats all i was wondering heh
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<alkorr> on the pc, it is a male
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<alkorr> my adapter has also a male adapter
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<alkorr> huh it is like PC one
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<PsycoXul> so if you had a serial keyboard you could plug it right into the rs232 converter?
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<alkorr> let me find another keyboard here...
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<PsycoXul> i've got 3 ps2->serial adapters heh
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<alkorr> you should because i bought a 1 ps2->serial too
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<alkorr> and it fits with my serial adapter for jukebox
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<PsycoXul> ok
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<PsycoXul> so it should be easy to hook a lot of stuff up to this sucker
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* PsycoXul pictures a little 1-pixel mouse cursor drawn in a dynamically-updated custom char on his player :p
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<PsycoXul> ok so for this thing
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<PsycoXul> i see on national.com the LP2980IM5
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<PsycoXul> they have -2.5 through -5.0
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<PsycoXul> (i.e. LP2980IM5-2.5, ..., LP2980IM5-5.0)
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<Zagor> i have to go. see you guys!
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<PsycoXul> is that the output voltage or something?
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<PsycoXul> do i want the -3.3 then?
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<PsycoXul> heh
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