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**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 16 22:16:35 2002
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--> adiamas (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-128.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) has joined #rockbox
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--- Topic for #rockbox is Does your box rock? http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/
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--- Topic for #rockbox set by Bagder at Mon May 13 04:46:28
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--- You are now known as adi|home
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--> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox
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<dw|gone> Hellö ppl!
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--- dw|gone is now known as dwihno
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<Bagder> morning
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<dwihno> How are you today?
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<Bagder> pretty good
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<Bagder> loadsa mails to deal with
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<dwihno> "Free XXX"
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<dwihno> "Get bigger dick with our magic pills"
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<dwihno> "Debt consolidation"
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<Bagder> more like "how do I make this work?" kinds
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<Bagder> the spams are mostly filtered automaticly
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<dwihno> You work as a consultant?
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<Bagder> yes
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<Bagder> but the mails are mostly about my spare time hacks
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<dwihno> what kind of consultant?
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<Bagder> embedded, network, unix
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<dwihno> Oh
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<dwihno> Sounds like a fun job :)
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<Bagder> been working for Net Insight the least 2+ years
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<Bagder> oh it _is_ a great job
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<dwihno> I've been unemployed for almost a year :(
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<Bagder> ugha
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<Linus> uuh
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<dwihno> Good morning Linus-dude! :D
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<Bagder> hey Linus the rocker!
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<Linus> morning d00d!
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<Bagder> you're early
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<dwihno> Bagder: Yeah, it sucks, but I'm not giving up - I write applications almost every day
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<Linus> Yup. Have to go early today
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<Bagder> dwihno: that's probably the sane thing to do
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* Linus goes for coffee
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<dwihno> :-)
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* dwihno .equals(sane)
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<dwihno> *yawn*
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<dwihno> I hate cooking lunch in the morning
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<dwihno> <-- did some pretty nice chicken salad
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<Linus> what do you guys think we should do about the GDB enabled version of librockbox?
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<Linus> and the release version?
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<Linus> multiple targets in the makefile?
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<Linus> or multiple libraries?
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<Bagder> good q
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<Bagder> my opinion: multiple targets, the same library
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<Linus> OK. next q:
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<Linus> should thread.c malloc() the stack, or should we have static stacks for the threads?
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<Linus> not a big issue, really. Just thinking.
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<Bagder> I doubt that we'll realloc() the stack so a static is slightly better
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<Linus> ok
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<Linus> we need special compiler flags for some files, like thread.o
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<Linus> how do we do that without messing with the dependencies?
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<Bagder> that's the downside of all those wildcard things
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<dwihno> <-- loves wildcards
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<Bagder> the thread.o should have its own line in the makefile, with its own additional flags on the compile line
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<Linus> Bagder: indeed
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<Linus> What does Make do when thread.o has two targets?
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<Bagder> it yells
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<Linus> gah
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<Linus> So what do we do
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<Bagder> thread.o must be removed from the wildcard-generated list
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<dwihno> Some shell script generating the makefile's perhaps?
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<Bagder> I bet there is some keyword that allows us to cut out a specific file from the SRC generated list
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<Linus> Bagder: Yeah. I guess we have to do that. It's a pity.
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<Bagder> SRC = $(filter tread.c, $(SRC))
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<Bagder> SRC = $(filter-out tread.c, $(SRC))
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<Bagder> rather
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<Bagder> btw
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<Bagder> Linus: do you know why the Recorder doesn't allow music to be played while charging the batteries?
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<dwihno> It doesn't?! :(
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<Bagder> at least I haven't been able to make it ;-)
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<dwihno> hm
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<dwihno> You probably forgot connecting it to the PC ;)
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<dwihno> Do you develop using linux or windows?
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<Bagder> there is only one ;-)
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<Bagder> Linux
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<Bagder> and Solaris too actually
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<dwihno> okay
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<dwihno> USB on solaris?
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<dwihno> Did you ever try a BSD variant?
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<Bagder> I don't need usb to develop
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<Bagder> we have simulators, remember
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<dwihno> aaah
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<dwihno> the Simulator(tm) :D
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<Bagder> yes, I've tried BSD variants
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<dwihno> so what did you think?
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<Bagder> about what?
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<Bagder> BSD?
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<dwihno> yeah
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<dwihno> and how much of a difference is there between the simulator and the real hardware?
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<Bagder> the simulators simulate the "low-level" APIs, so we can write "apps" on them
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<Bagder> the BSDs are generally fine, in some areas great, in some not so great
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<dwihno> Please go on :)
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<Linus> Bagder: Zagor does it all day (listening while charging)
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<Bagder> hm
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<Linus> I tried just now. What is your problem?
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<Linus> You have to push "on"
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<Linus> puch and hold
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<Bagder> while charging?
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<Linus> just like when you turn it on normally
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<dwihno> So what linux distributions are you guys using+
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<Linus> Red Hat
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<Linus> I wanted to install Debian, bit it kind of backfired on me
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<Bagder> ah ok
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<Bagder> I just didn't press long enough
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<dwihno> How about you Bagder?
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<Linus> He is an old red hat
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<Bagder> once upon the time redhat
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<dwihno> /\
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<Bagder> source since
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<Linus> patched as hell
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<dwihno> /\
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<dwihno> hm
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<dwihno> that's my hat ;)
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<Bagder> $ telnet localhost
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* adi|home slaps you all with the "be quiet im tring to sleep" stick
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<Bagder> Trying 127.0.0.1...
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<Bagder> Connected to localhost.
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<Bagder> Escape character is '^]'.
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<Bagder> Storebror Linux What Hasn't Crashed Yet Soon Will
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<Bagder> Kernel 2.4.18 on an i686
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<Bagder> login:
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<Bagder> :-)
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<dwihno> Telnet rules
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<Bagder> you tring huh? ;-)
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<adi|home> telnet SUCKS
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<adi|home> ssh is god
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<adi|home> i have issues with plain text
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<Bagder> telnet is fine on localhost ;-)
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<adi|home> or "here, sniff my password"
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<adi|home> bah, humbug
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<adi|home> i wouldn't trade the ease of use of scp and ssh for anything
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<dwihno> ssh is good
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<dwihno> and cute
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<Linus> what do we prefer:
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<Linus> make DEBUG=1
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<Linus> or
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<Linus> make debug
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<adi|home> make debug
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<Bagder> the latter
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<Linus> ok
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<adi|home> cause its like comparing to "make CLEAN=1"
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<adi|home> :)
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<Bagder> yeah
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<Linus> not really. clean is a target, DEBUG is more like an option
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<adi|home> have we reached any sort of decision on how apps/ is going to be set up?
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<Linus> debug affects the compiler flags
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<adi|home> no, id treat debug as a target too..
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<Bagder> adi|home: hehe, not really, but I think we go for all "general" files in the root with target-specific code in subdirs, for now
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<adi|home> doing LINUX or SOLARIS .. those id accept at =1
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<adi|home> k
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* adi|home needs to get back into the swing of things
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<Bagder> but I don't know why Björn didn't move all the app code from uisimulator to apps
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<adi|home> if you want me to just switch everything over i can.. but i don' see a need to yet really
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<Bagder> there's no immediate need, no, I just thought it'd be cleaner
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<Bagder> when we wanna start building target stuff using the apps
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<Linus> Bagder: how do i change CFLAGS in a target?
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<Bagder> ehum
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<Bagder> you don't
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<Linus> Hence my question above
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<Bagder> well, in a sane makefile you have a differently named variable for that then
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<Linus> and no default rules?
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<Linus> Here we go
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<Bagder> right
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<Bagder> or rather
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<Bagder> you'd use different object files
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<Linus> oh no
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<Bagder> oh yes ;-)
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<Linus> Then we are in depoendency hell
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<Bagder> not necessarily
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<Bagder> DBGOBJS := $(SRC:%.c=debug/%.o) crt0.o
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<Bagder> or however you write that kind of stuff
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<Bagder> or perhaps not
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<Bagder> using default rules really ain't fine here
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<Linus> The seldom are
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<Bagder> and totally unnecessary since we generate the deps anyway
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<Bagder> we can just as well generate the action line too
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<Linus> I see the Makefile growing
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<Bagder> sure
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<Bagder> but it needs to do good
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<Bagder> a small bad makefile is worse than a big good one
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* adi|home pets the Makefile.. "good makefile.. you grow.. big.. strong makefile.. strong like bull"
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<Bagder> more coffee
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<Linus> I would prefer writing "make DEBUG=1" instead of having a more complex makefile/dependency generation
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<Bagder> it'll work for now at least
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<dwihno> make -f Makefile.debug
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<dwihno> :-)
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<Bagder> I received a poem by mail this morning:
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<Bagder> fooled dad added cable
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<Bagder> failed decode doc called aid
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<Bagder> official bill baffled
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<Bagder> supposed to be almost Haiku, and it is...
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<Bagder> hexadecimal ;-)
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<dwihno> haha
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<Bagder> 00000000 f0 01 ed da da dd ed ca b1 e0
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<Bagder> 00000013 fa 11 ed de c0 de d0 cc a1 1e da 1d
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<Bagder> 0000002b 0f f1 c1 a1 b1 11 ba ff 1e d0
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<dwihno> Writing hexadecimal poetry goes in the top20 of the "what to do on a rainy day" list :)
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<Bagder> indeed
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<calpefrosch|work> morning
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<Bagder> morning calpe
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<Linus> morning Froggy
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* calpefrosch|work quacks
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--> StarFox (~GatesOfHe@adsl-64-175-110-181.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox
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* Bagder greets StarFox welcome
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<StarFox> hello Bagder
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* StarFox is trying out some new themes
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<Linus> hi starfox
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<StarFox> hello Linus
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<Bagder> StarFox: you an Archos owner?
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<StarFox> no
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<Linus> This is only for club members. :-)
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<Linus> haha
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<Bagder> hey
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<Bagder> there's no rockbox available yet anyway ;-)
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<Linus> No, but it's close now
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<dwihno> Will the LCD-off feature be in the first releases?
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<Linus> Bagder: can you check the makefile changes for me?
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<Bagder> the very first release is for the player
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<Linus> I haven't written a MAS driver for the Recorder yet
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<Bagder> Linus: yes, that makefile looks fine
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<Bagder> does it work? ;-)
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<dwihno> Ah, okay
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<Linus> Good. Zagor will probably have some wierd comments on it :-)
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<Linus> Bagder: yes it works :-)
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<Bagder> oh he will
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<Bagder> Zagor the code police will strike down ;-)
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<Bagder> we need to join the rebel forces
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* dwihno can hear the "boot sound" in his head: "R-r-r-rockbox - Open Source kickass firmware"
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<Linus> Yeah. He's a badass moddafacka Code Cop
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* Bagder is scared of the code police force
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<StarFox> brb
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<Linus> oops
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<Bagder> hey Zagor_
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<Zagor_> hi
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--- Zagor_ is now known as Zagor
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<Linus> oh no! the police! run!
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* Bagder ducks
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<dwihno> :D
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<dwihno> GOOD MORNING ZAGOR! :D
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<dwihno> Zagor: Linus has been here all day long, did you have a sovmorgon? :)
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<Zagor> yeah
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<dwihno> :-)
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<dwihno> Zzzagor ;)
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* Bagder is gonna go and have some nice shots now!
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<dwihno> Shots?
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<dwihno> This early? :)
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<Bagder> as in needles
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<Bagder> vaccine
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--- Bagder is now known as Bagder|gone
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<dwihno> Vaccine for what?
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<Bagder|gone> I dunno ;-) I'll find out!
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<Bagder|gone> I'm going to east africa this summer
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<dwihno> Ah
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<dwihno> Then I know which vaccine you are getting
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<dwihno> Insanity neutralizer ;)
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<dwihno> Nobody sane would ever go to africa
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<dwihno> All sick mosquitos and rhinos and giraffs... That's scary stuff dude! :)
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<Linus> Uganda?
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--- Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor
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--- Linus|lunch is now known as Linus
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--- Bagder|gone is now known as Bagder
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<Zagor> still alive, bagder? ;)
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<dwihno> We are alive
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<dwihno> (Paul van Dyk)
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<dwihno> :-)
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<Bagder> I got away pretty good ;-)
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<Bagder> not a single shot
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* dwihno gives everybody some newly baked bullar
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<Bagder> had them all already ;-)
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<Bagder> mainly just Malaria poison needed
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* Bagder thinks ispell-complete-word rocks hard
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* Bagder detects trouble
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<dwihno> find / -type trouble
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<Bagder> gaaah
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<Bagder> May 17 10:46:22 pm1 named[27762]: exiting (due to assertion failure)
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<dwihno> hm
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<dwihno> named must not be stopped!
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<Bagder> correctomente
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<dwihno> What version of named?
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<Bagder> wait, gotta fix this first
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<dwihno> mkay
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<Bagder> weirness
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<Bagder> weirdness
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<Linus> oh
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<Bagder> named starts from inetd mostly
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<dwihno> fishy
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<dwihno> ><))))8>
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<Bagder> May 17 10:46:22 pm1 named[27762]: message.c:808: REQUIRE(*rdataset == 0) failed
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* Bagder goes debugging
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<Zagor> gah!
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* Zagor notes the bjorn.haxx.se http access log has grown to 460 MB since december
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<dwihno> oh my god! :/
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<dwihno> <-- tries to hide his DOS attack with some vanilla sauce
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* Zagor shops for a good log analyzer
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<dwihno> Denial of Sås
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<dwihno> We got analog
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<Zagor> is it good?
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<dwihno> then webalizer
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<dwihno> analog is extremely configurable
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<dwihno> webalizer produces nice graphs ;D
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<Zagor> i'll try analog
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<Bagder> I moved lots of files from the sim dir to the apps dir
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<Bagder> and made the x11-simulator build again, both versions
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<Zagor> nice
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<Bagder> updated the activity too with the new paths
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<dwihno> Do you have a slogan for the Rockbox project yet?
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<Bagder> "its better to rock a box than to box a rock"
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<Bagder> :-P
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<dwihno> hehe
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<dwihno> box a rock?! :)
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<dwihno> No fun
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<Zagor> we don't need no steeenkin slogan :)
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<dwihno> :~(
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<dwihno> So what can I contribute with to the project?
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<dwihno> ascii art? :)
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<Zagor> haha
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<dwihno> Seriousley
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<dwihno> I want to contribuyte
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<dwihno> I can make new games :)
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<Zagor> fire away. asteriods is still unclaimed :)
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<dwihno> hehe
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<dwihno> Tell me about the development environment and the test software you are using :)
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<Zagor> have you read the API file?
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<dwihno> I have ZERO files
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<dwihno> Except from JPEG's ;D
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<Zagor> go browse the cvs
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<Zagor> http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/cvs.html
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<Zagor> 180603 hits in /rockbox/ :)
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<Zagor> plus another 30209 in /jukebox/
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<dwihno> juckbox :)
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<dwihno> On monday I will place my order for a recorder! :D
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<Bagder> that's the spirit! ;-)
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<dwihno> Oh
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<dwihno> I just found out monday is a day off
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<Bagder> yeps
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<dwihno> Luckily I found out it now, or I would have been here on monday morning :)
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<Bagder> http://daniel.haxx.se/hexpoetry/goodies.html
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<Zagor> yay!
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<Bagder> it seems people keep busy with useful things ;-)
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<dwihno> hahaha
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<dwihno> mongo :)
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<dwihno> baddade blodad collie
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<dwihno> fifflade labile olof
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<dwihno> haha
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<Zagor> we should separate the player and recorder code, and not have everything in apps/ root
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<Zagor> icons, bmp, tetris, screensaver etc
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<Bagder> true
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<Bagder> hi daev
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<Bagder> dave
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<linuxstb> Hi - what happenning to the CVS? :-)
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<Bagder> haha
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<Bagder> we move sources into apps that are meant for target and simulator
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<Bagder> to have the uisimulator for simulator stuff only
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<linuxstb> I think that's a good thing. When do you think you will be finished?
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<Bagder> dunno, we just discussed putting the recorder-specific files in their own subdir in apps
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<linuxstb> OK, I'll hang around here and see what happens. I'm still working at the moment, but was distracted by the CVS action.
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<Bagder> hehe
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<Bagder> don't expect any more work from my side today, I'm busy elsewhere atm
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<Zagor> i'll be getting the simulator working with player keypad
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<Zagor> then I plan to test it on target tonight
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<Bagder> right on!
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<Zagor> and polish some of the remaining issues like key polling etc
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<Zagor> friday candy time
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<Bagder> lots of adding and deleting today ;-)
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<Zagor> yeah. cvs history is for wimps! :)
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<Bagder> we don't want the history, we want the future! ;-)
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<Zagor> hrmpf. the simulator doesn't work without lcd_update
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<Zagor> who do I yell at? ;)
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* Bagder hides
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<Zagor> where is sim_lcd_puts defined? it's not in any .h .c. or .s file!?!
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<Bagder> magic
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<Bagder> its in lcd-x11.c
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<Bagder> because it is #define d
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<Bagder> so the names in the file don't have sim_ prefixes
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<Zagor> where is it defined?
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<Bagder> x11/chardef.h
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<Bagder> that construction is a bit ugly
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<Bagder> but I saw no way around it
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<Bagder> sim_lcd_puts should just do lcd_update() by itself
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<Zagor> but those defines are the other way. they define lcd_puts, not sim_lcd_puts
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<Zagor> i'm confused
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<Zagor> ah, oh.. bluearch!
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<Zagor> damn, bagder. that's UUUUGLY! :-)
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<Bagder> you make it better then
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<Bagder> the problem is that it needs *both* lcd systems when simulating the player
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<Zagor> explain it to me, what problem are you solving?
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<Zagor> hmm
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<Bagder> the player simulator uses the recorder-simultor code
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<Bagder> for char output
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<Zagor> right
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<Zagor> gotta go. see you guys later
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<Bagder> bye
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<elinenbe> Under news on the main page there have been no updates for more than 2 weeks. Maybe it is time to place a little updat there ;)
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<Zagor> any suggestions?
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<linuxstb> I don't know any news, but is it possible to upload some more IRC logs (if they exist)?
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<elinenbe> something like "The project is prgessing nicely and we offering a $10,000 (USD) prize in the DSP programming challenge... stay tuned for more information"
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<Zagor> hehe
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<linuxstb> :-)
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<Zagor> that reminds me, i should submit a help request to sourceforge
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<linuxstb> What is on the wishlist for DSP programming?
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<linuxstb> (apart from ogg)
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<elinenbe> wma :)
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<elinenbe> just kidding
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<elinenbe> how powerful is the DSP?
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<linuxstb> I think the only sensible "wish" is uncompressed recording and playback.
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<Zagor> pure WAV is a frequent request
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<elinenbe> that is something that many people ask for.
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<elinenbe> and with the recorder -- pur wav recording
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<linuxstb> And it shouldn't be too difficult to program - if you know the hardware.
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<elinenbe> is it possible to compile the source and run something on the actual player yet?
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<Zagor> i'm working on that right now
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<Zagor> having a bit of setup problems, for some reason
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<linuxstb> Good luck - that's worth an entry in the news if you succeed.
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<elinenbe> well, if you get something working do you think you will upload the compiled firmware?
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<Zagor> sure
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<elinenbe> how far away do you think you are?
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<elinenbe> this is quite exciting.
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<Zagor> oh, not far. this is all tested code, it's just some snag
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<linuxstb> Changing the subject, I want to implement the mpeg playing API for the X11 simulator tonight...
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<Zagor> the problem is my gf is coming over in just over an hour :)
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<elinenbe> are the simulators pretty much stable right now?
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<linuxstb> ... but am not sure where to put the files.
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<elinenbe> well, priorities are priorities
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<Zagor> linuxstb: why not in the x11 lib?
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<Zagor> directory, i mean
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<elinenbe> where do you live? Sweden?
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<Zagor> yes
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<elinenbe> so, it is 8pm there?
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<linuxstb> Zagor: OK, but how should I stop it breaking the win32 simulator and the target?
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<Zagor> the irc logs are adiamas' job, btw. i'm not sure why there hasn't been any checkins of those lately
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<elinenbe> you should NOT go waste your time with Star Wars. The movie is awul
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<elinenbe> awful
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<elinenbe> I dont even know if you have it yet
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<Zagor> linuxstb: you can't keep win32 working. don't meddle with the target files yet
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<linuxstb> Zagor: are you asking me to wait before implementing it?
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<Zagor> in target, yes. add it to the simulator only right now
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<linuxstb> I thought the target and simulator shared the same code (apps/)?
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<Zagor> some of it, yes. make a local copy of you want to test. I'm working in apps right now
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<linuxstb> OK - no problem.
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<linuxstb> I'll let you get back to your Archos now. Bye.
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<Zagor> :) no problem
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<Zagor> i can't get the player lcd to work :*(
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<elinenbe> I cry with you
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<elinenbe> :`(
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<Zagor> ooooh, I'm browsing my archos!
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<Zagor> but only with debugf()s :)
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<Zagor> anyone alive here, feeling like testing my app?
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<Zagor> i'm starting to wonder if my lcd lives at all
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<Zagor> well, gotta go. bye all
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<adi|work> anyone around?
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<PsycoXul> no
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<adi|work> okay :)(
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