**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 21 22:49:19 2002 --> adiamas (~adiamas@as5300-9.216-194-23-88.nyc.ny.metconnect.net) has joined #rockbox --- Topic for #rockbox is Does your box rock? http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ --- Topic for #rockbox set by Bagder at Mon May 13 04:46:28 --- You are now known as adi|home --- dw|gone is now known as dwihno --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox Hail to the almighty LINUS!: D Yo! Where did you order your Archos? And did you order a Recorder? I ordered it from Dustin Yeah, a recorder model I also ordered myself a new "dual optical" mouse from logitech ;D Nice. yeah :) I just hope my expectations won't fail me ;) Me too. weclome back all :) thanks Hi adi! I might get it today (that is, if I'm _EXTREMELY_ lucky) ;) btw the archos firmware does handle being turned off somehow, because custom firmware won't turn off with the power plugged in but archos firmware will Oh. That's something we'll have to look into PsycoXul: how extensivly have you been testing the new code on the actual hardware? well lets see i threw it on there last night and didn't past ata_init() so uh not very? :p Strange, that thing with the ATA... PsycoXul: have you opened your box? no Ok. heheh Well, try to have a positive perspective - you at least got to ata_init() :) Was it the first test on actual hardware you performed last night? i've played with little pieces of code on the hardware a good amount cool :) --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox hey ho Hello Bagder! :D Yo Bagder! oh crap, Linus got here before me!!! :-) :D He was here REALLY early! 07:38 Yo! You can't beat that! :D hehe I'm pretty often at work before that actually But then he's so tired he can't even read or speak. :-) its just a matter of coffee amounts :) Hehe The caffeine is your friend! :D <-- just had his third cup of coffee Björns donated player has an old display after all ah Version 4.13 did you get anything displayed on it? Stone dead. And the 4.13 display is stone dead when I pair it with Björns old CPU board. It's stone'd ;) btw... zagor stated 'the firmware should never exit' so we #defined the uisim to use the off button... but on the player and the recorder.. does the firmware trap the off button or what? i mean how else do you turn the unit off? * Bagder has no clue * adi|home draws a target on Bagder's forehead then poke's him in the bullseye --> Zagor_ (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox speak of the devil... I think the hardware traps the off button hey.. zag --- Zagor_ is now known as Zagor eeeello btw... zagor stated 'the firmware should never exit' so we #defined the uisim to use the off button... but on the player and the recorder.. does the firmware trap the off button or what? i mean how else do you turn the unit off? eieio like 20 secs ago and sometimes y ah YAY! well we don't know for sure My Archos is in Umeå now! the recorder seems to simply go into powersave mode and not actually turn off 100% I'm gonna get it today! :D Oh joy! really? thats just weird and the player? * dwihno starts bouncing around like a a playfull puppu puppy ;) i don't know. we need to do some measurements I don't think it's weird that it goes into powersave mode * adi|home puts newspaper under dwihno That way it can keep the settings in RAM no.. what i mean is.. sholdn't both units? i mean, why wouldn't the player as well? i dunno Maybe they designed it in a hurry keep those answers up.. and im giving you a target too... ;) maybe the LCD display has no powersave mode who knows? * adi|home nods okay.. im off to bed then.. long day tomorrow. night! sweet dreams COFFEEEEEE! I'm way ahead of you Linus! :) Got my 4th cup! and also.. its E.M.S. appreciation week here in the States.. so appreciate me damn it! * adi|home giggles like a school girl EMS? Emergency Medical Services aha ppl that work on ambulances volunteers here mostly * Bagder appreciates ambulance-adiamas for a while hehehe * adi|home puffs up his chest proudly nite agin Gah! The "new" display works with the "new" CPU board So we night have *three* display types on our hands! hmrpmf or at least combining old new cpu with old display wasn't as simple as we thought Or it might be that it has nothing to do with the LCD at all. Just incompatible boards But how???? I wonder what's different... don't worry about that too much, it's not like anyone else is going to attempt it... True. I'm just curious you should still write down or post your findings, so that we have them saved for the future And we still need to debug a New(tm) Player to find out what's different with the ATA interface yes --> wavey (~wavey@dlan1431.dircon.co.uk) has joined #rockbox Yo wav! howdy linus * Bagder crawls off to get coffee <-- Bagder has quit ("disconnecting from stoned server.") --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox 1x2 I want my archos NOW!!! :) What are you people going to eat for lunch today? I think I'm up for chinese today yum noodles is always nice NASIGORENG! today is sushi day btw, guys, I managed to exchange a few words with Tumm yesterday. he exists! ;) * Bagder faints Eww! Sushi! That's like, dead fish! Well. It's almost alive! Fried fish = yum yum barely dead :) Wonderful! Delicious! I wish we had a sushi place around here I wish I never have to see the evilness of the sushi * dwihno sends some abborre-sushi to Zagor --- Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch --- Linus is now known as Linus|lunch --- Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor --- Linus|lunch is now known as Linus PsycoXul: you here? yeah have you opened your archos? heh no i haven't ok. we're having a theory that perhaps your harddisk is jumpered as "slave" fun it's not so bad, we just have to deal with it in ata_init() if that's the case. but it's a bit tricky to find out without opening your archos... :) heh well i need to back it up [actualy mostly reorganize my HD copies to match the structure on the archos just so i can see that it really is backed up], and take it to best buy to get it serviced so they can remove the sticker and i don't have to worry about it i wasn't planning on opening it till after that well maybe you don't have to. we could try just patching your code a bit and see what happens stand by :) the power plugin does need to be resoldered or something i think, if i bump it while its plugged in it'll lose the contact --> Zagor_ (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox but i can't test anything till tomorrow... gotta juggle HD's in a win98 box next to me to boot it to linux with my sh1 dev stuff and its too late tonight to be getting into that... :-( and i'm hopping in the shower now heh when you get the chance, try changing SELECT_LBA to 0x50 in ata.c ok <-- Zagor has quit (card.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) --- Zagor_ is now known as Zagor well i'll go take a shower and if its not too late after that then maybe i can PsycoXul: where are you, geograpicly? pacbell.net hints US I GOT MY ARCHOS IN MY HAND! try the demos! ;-) hm how do I connect it? ;) to what? To the PC It just says charging no "hello USB" thingy yay, that was fast dwihno: turn it on Trying It just says "charging batteries" Hold ON down for a few secs dwihno: go to groups.yahoo.com and join the archosjukebox6000 group. then read the faq there, it will answer your 20 first questions :-) Help me out, I don't wanna search no mail list! :( How long did you press ON? keep it down 5-10 seconds öjj, nu hände det grejer Windows won't say hello USB you need to install the driver from the cd uh, maybe not i was thinking about the old archos :) which windows do you have? * Bagder has glass windows ;-) You do have to install a driver if you have Win98 yeah, I guess we can't expect MSWindows to follow specifications... ;*) ah they do, just not the SAME specifications ;-) <-- is ejaculating <-- is ejaculating <-- is ejaculating <-- is ejaculating <-- is ejaculating <-- is ejaculating DAMN * Zagor puts dwihno in a cool shower --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Bagder :)~ Worth every wooden nickle Didn't we tell you? :-) now, rip it up and make that serial port work for debugging B-P haha hihi Bagder: why don't you??? :-) well, no recorder has so far not even you guys right? hahahaha damn whoa right <-- gets a glass of water... I'll be damned! DAMN DAMN DAMN! :) Don't spill it!!! get over your head ;-) poor it even pour * Zagor is the spelling police, too hey, I can't type so then I shall not speel correct either ;-) haha :) Win2k said: "Hello USB" and installed it as a mass storage device without any extra drivers good where are our win32 developers? it's been awfully quiet lately back Whoa whoa whoa whoa yeah i'm in the US, california Oh my god Zagor: indeed, the win32 simulator is now lagging behind bah win32 people aren't *real* developers anyways :p hehe adiamas spilled the beans in the yahoo forum a couple of days ago and now everyone is very interested. a win32 simulator would be good soon hey! yeah we're now 101 subscribers on the rockbox list and <1 msg/day :-) yeah *copy files* PsycoXul: can you test now? The speed is quite alright for being a USB 1.1 computer I'm using dwihno: hehe that'll keep you busy for a while dwihno: do you have USB2.0 on your computer? ah Getting files from work -> home will never be a problem again ;) sure it will, you won't have room for with all those mp3s on it ;-) heh hehe Zagor: just booted over PsycoXul: meaning? you know i think most of the problems i have with this thing over USB is due to trying it when the batteries low yeah that's a bad idea Zagor: meaning i'm copying the test file now ok well usualy when i plug it in the batteries like half way to USB i mean and then i copy files and after several times in one session it starts having problems using it as a USB HD seems to eat the batteries really quick hmmm yeah, always keep the power cable connected in usb mode like now the batteries shouldn't be very low but it may have stalled on the copy already For how many hours do the batteries last? 10 hours? roughly, yes mkay i estimate 5-10 hours depending bitrate, settings, volume, how much you mess with it mess? if you press buttons a lot you mean, use it as a USB harddrive? have the backlight on much etc dwihno: yeah er no amongst other things dwihno: i mean if you set up a 10 hour playlist, start it, stick it in your pouch/pocket and then don't touch it till it goes dead dwihno: it'll last a long longer than if you play some songs, then browse around and play some more, etc mkay Will the unit start to fux0r if I change the hard disk label? nah one of the first things i did :p heh insanity! is the label now :) 20 gigs of music in your pocket is nothing but pure insanity yep its true just wait its like your life suddenly got a soundtrack :p :) Oh my fucking G.O.D! dwihno: 20 gigs? bah, 40 here. and there's 60 gig disks out now. whoa Zagor: suck my dick :) no thanks :) heh I'll sync it against my collection at home tonight ok Zagor: no change hmm PsycoXul: you mean the ATA slave test? yes bah! hmm, we must do a device select before we start polling status... Dont we do that now? nopp But the ATA interface must be initialized already? i'll try and adapt the master/slave check code I have in the isd200 driver... hmm, you're right still, it just doesn't work Whoa I wanna go hoooome! :) Listen to music! :) I love the audio quality have you been able to hear the buzz yet= ? Didn't try i get a buzz while my studio20's charging sometimes... it comes and goes and when it comes i can't get rid of it and when it goes i can't make it do it, but its from the unit itself and not the headphones heh oh are you using the stock charger? yes it could be voltage related its no big deal and i only get it sometimes I'll try to get the buzz tonight Damn The bass is exquisite! My EXP101 is WAY out! dwihno: you can probably "force" the buzz by only inserting the headphone plug half-way still, if you can't hear it why look for it :) hehe true, true You will not find the force, the force will find you! Reverse that sentence and imagine Yoda saying it ;) find the force you will not, find you it will :) :-) * dwihno sighs but yeah anything else i should try today? How long time does it take to charge it? dwihno: a long time. leave it overnight at least it handles it intelligently, so there's no problem leaving it too long Ah, sure yeah but don't leave it too too long especialy if you use the stock adapter How come? cause its an unregulated piece of shit adapter that i guess provides more power than the unit needs to start with, and especialy once its charged, that extra power gets put out as heat some people have damaged their units with that mine's gotten hotten than i'm comfortable with a couple times hotter ah does it tell when the charging is finished? yes yeah and how many hours does a typical charge take? the green led goes blank when it's fully charged? no the display says "Charging complete" the green led is hardwired to power-on i dunno about recorders, but my player says "charged" instead of "charging..." and you can also hear the HD spin up the recorder does not spin the hd huh the "charging complete, let's dissipate excess power via spinning hd" seems to be a new-players-only thing mkay Should I upgrade to the newsest firmware? which version do you have? lemme check... where do I do that? menu->firmware who cares about firmware versions, we need rockbox ;-) hehe rockbox is still just a dream Rockbox - Because dreams will come true! There's a slogan you can use ;) you know it *seriously* seems like the players firmware was a hacked together bare minimal with a few things thrown in cause they were easy, and i *swear* they anticipated a project to replace it to me anyways :p you might be right i doubt they anticipated anyone replacing it. then why would the scramble it? I agree on the "hacked together" part, though ask the firmware developers i couldn't tell you why they scramble it it doesn't seem to actualy accomplish anything anyways :p it would appear they explicity wanted something like this to never happen... 1.26 mar 10 2002 that's the firmware dwihno: I think there's a 1.27 out. try it if you feel like it. I'm using 1.24. can't be bother with their mini changes * Bagder has 1.25b so you guys got anything else for me to test today or can i throw the normal firmware on there and call it a day? heh PsycoXul: we're done for now, I think. i'll test some stuff on my end first. ok there's a 1.27c available Where do you find the firmware? I'm trying to find, but can't! http://www.archos.com/us/download_drivers.html ah thanks "archos recorder firmware" on google showed that as first choice the rockbox link was only on third place ;-) Yeah! :D ok i descrambled/hexedited/rescrambled the archos firmware and changed 'CHARGE' to 'FUX0RZ' and 'CHARGING' to 'FUX0RING' etc haha and put it on, booted it, shut it off, plugged it in just to see and it still says CHARGE, CHARGING :) hm