--> adiamas (~adiamas@216.194.26.204) has joined #rockbox --- Topic for #rockbox is Version 1.0 released! http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/ --- Topic for #rockbox set by ChanServ at Tue Jun 11 03:31:20 --- You are now known as adi|home --> elinenbe (trilluser@bgp01080511bgs.wanarb01.mi.comcast.net) has joined #rockbox hello there here is a little something hard drive mp3 player related... http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=70&e=4&cid=70&u=/cn/20020612/tc_cn/935202 --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox moo AHHHH Bagder: is back!!! * adi|home runs away screaming * Bagder stands tall and watches adiamas run away --> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox hey Z hey all everyone in the office is looking at the world cup... /me can't be bothered. * Bagder agrees Bagder: could we change the changelog file to changes-.txt? apparently MSIE refuses to display .log files in the browser. at least I fail. hehe noooo :-) for some reason I can't even persuade Opera to do the right thing :( m m m mozilla yeah, but there's the rest of the world too :) * Bagder takes up the fight against the world ok, so exactly the same only .txt instead of .log? hmm isnt that the server ? that gives out a wrong mime format? no, the mime type is correct. MSIE ignores mime types. owh.. jolly :) Bagder: yes please coming right up there u could make a symlink called: msie-change-.txt :) works in MSIE now i-am-a-looser-gimme-that-ie-link.txt Opera still won't display it. very strange opera6? opera does weird things Zagor: you should check for .log *or* .txt for now ok Zagor: the older ones are still .log opera mostly does The Right Thing, sometimes more than you want... uhm yeah ans sometimes completely not don't confuse "won ah, never mind * adi|home pokes you in the head so i never got a full answer.. what type of files are accpectable playlist? .m2u? m3u rather .m3u full path names anything else? nope lf or crlf separated right.. okay... grrrrr... 2 world cup games on at once.. this is tough --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox hey linus and both games i wanna see :( moo zag.. did you see the FAQ? I put the stuf in from you /. email wanted to know if things make sense adi|home: nice. i'll take a look k let me know if there is anything we're missing yup not that i will put it in.. but go ahead and tell me ;) Zagor: don't you think the FAQ should have the same blue background? id agree if you want.. i can purty it up and put it into html can keep an html and text version if you like hmm, i'd like to keep it one file i'll try to make a perl hack to format the txt file into a html page if your going to.. can you also toss in an auto index? yup all questions will be formated with Q#. on the first left col. good so just pull that and then link them to the actual question and a clear line btwn questions *nods* all answers are A#. as well and if you are really bored.. ;) you could parse for http lines and make them links ;0 he should oh.. and last thing i could _really_ use central air here.. so when ever you want to come over and put it in id be ever so greatful A18 should probably not be so Gatesy. wav is uncompressed simple PCM data. you're probably thinking of WMA files? nah.. i wsa just being a dick :) i fix :) the answer is good, for WMA :) okay.. fixed I had my Recorder running the gdb stub for almost a whole day yesterday, connected to the charger and when i switched back to the original firmware, the battery meter was completely screwed up... ooh. for starters, or after several minutes too? it is always empty when i boot it up, and then shows a normal setting weeirdo and after a while it shows empty again btw, the buttons are too sensitive and stays empty? Zagor: i don't know. I had it in my pocket most of the time Bagder: bounces? define too sensative possibly, I just noticed that when I wanted to get into a directory I often ended up going down two levels at once i have the same experience with the player we need debouncing of some kind yeps hmm, why do the buttons bounce - does the hardware actually do that? yes ahh.. that just may be our timing Bagder most definitely it's a standard problem for all buttons not on the arcade buttons I've dealt with ;) hehe that's because they added debounce, just like we need to hardware debounce? we have to do it in software well ok, just as long as it allows me to press a button for 1/60th of a second and still get the press in hehe. 60 Hz is quite a heavy load. I'd say 30 is more reasonable oh well, we'll just test and adjust yeah what exactly is debounce? detection and suppression of (very) short double-presses ahh.. k it's due to there being noise in the button connection, so it sometimes electrically flip-flops several times per intended keypress adi|home: we compensate for the button bouncing by reading the buttons several times *nods* grrrrr.. screen redraw on th recorder is still not right no? what happens? well.. i have a short filename and i have long filenames all is fine till i scroll and bring the short file as the last one on te screen it seems we aren't clearing the line before we draw the new text there so you have remaining garbage testing... im tracking it now try to repeat it in the simulator i am now its in the simulator that im getting it aha ok what aha? nothing, I just thought you saw in on target s/in/it I can't repeat the problem. I have a short file in the last line, no problem you need to have the short file _not_ on the screen to begin with.. hold on.. ill get a screen shot for you i didn't. it was song #15 ill try a recompile maybe i have an old obj file adi|home: Q28 should read "is this legal" not "is that legal" k both "that" in Q28 should be "this" A29 will fail parsing, since it contains blank lines nope.. still getting it.. hmmm.. ill try and update again. http://orion.ramapo.edu/~rhak/misc/shot.png look at that A30 should probably say something like "The first release is called 1.0 because it has a basic working feature set, that works and has no known bugs. That is what 1.0 means." adi|home: looking. odd that I can't repeat it. ah, got it. the previous file has to scroll first, then when I scroll down I get the bug ahh okay so im not insane ;) well I wouldn't rule that out just yet... hehehe * Bagder hears noise from the lab there's a tv there yeah, sweden scored a goal I suspected that Yieeehaaaaa!!!!! heheheh yup just saw replay im watching the rong damn game hehe i want to watch england and i want to watch argentina lose wooo, playlist icon * adi|home nods happily we have it, why not use it? FAQ fixed yay, neato did anyone try to play a playlist yet? * adi|home is all about 1-3 line code additions ;) hehe nope... Bagder: nope :) i don't want my recorder to explode ;) haha if someone gets me a nice new compile ill test it... hehe, the recorder will happily ignore it i havent built my cross compiler yet ahh.. then nope... okay.. bleary eyes.. and im still on call for another 3 hrs.. im off to bed... night adi if you have any toher FAQ changes.. post them.. ill get them in the (my) morning looks good for now. thanks! I'm not satisfied with the scroll ok? too much blanks yes, I agree. looking at that now neato when the last char leaves the left side, the first should come in on the right. no "empty line" or do you want it even tighter? exactly I could do with just X spaces in between where X would be 2-3 I mean between the last and the first i think that might sometimes be confusing, as it wouldn't be obvious where the start is i'll do the simple fix first I think it is an improvment as it'll make more text readable at all times hmmm should any 60gb 2.5" hd work in a jukebox studio ? or 40gb if it's 9.5mm, yes nice.. just check the power requirements. the toshiba 60gig draws very much power at startup hm k woulkd take forever to fill though i think it's not a problem, but it might make a difference in battery life uhuh and batterylife is already decreasing Greg Haerr seems to be "mr Microwindows" huh? oh cool yeps heh, Greg is good ;-) yeah yay, the new server hardware has arrived yay! dual Athlon MP 1600+ 1600MHz, aren't they called 1800 or something? ah, yes those model names are confusing :) indeed uh, my scroll fix didn't look so good on the player... ata_read_sectors() could be renamed to ata_read_sector() I guess and always read one nah we'll just fix it instead so you plan to use other than 1 too then umm, maybe not. only the fat32 driver uses ata and that always just reads 1. that's my point, if the reading works good today, then we don't need anything else but 1 agreed Zagor: does the ATA read sector loop need to poll the DRQ bit for each sector? ummm, don't remember it doesn't today let's just skip the loop, we never read more than one anyway i'm fixing the bug Greg found we night gain some performance by reading several sectors at once might i am a moron umm, yes. but our code doesn't... we do wait for DRQ I'll just add the buf += 512 and it should work += SECTOR_SIZE right? yeah duh, i suck hey, Anja loved Rockbox... she could play tetris ;-) hehe although the not playing music part was a bit hard to explain ;-) "yes, this is an mp3 player but it can't play mp3" haha there are three threads right now, isn't it? with the new one being the lcd scroll? yes. i'm writing a response to his mail :) goodie --> adam (~adam@c-24-118-162-179.mn.client2.attbi.com) has joined #rockbox heh X11 session from one Linux box to the Linux craptop == amusing prepped for the great LUG today :P :-) what LUG is this? I got a back ache when I brought my massive box last time heh a local LUG in Minneapolis pretty unofficial ;p we don't even have a website I think anyone who says Linux has no use on laptops is a total dimwit well whay else would you use? they generally don't require one use some damned 'touchpad' 90% of the time nintendo? I'd generally prefer a big hulking tower for Linux but I guess two reasons I'm REALLY liking it on this laptop the network segment Windows 9x basically screwed up totally with the crappy pegasus chipset USB adapter linux complains, but doesn't die. which is a huge improvement second off, this thing is old and slow. Linux makes it very usable. Windows does not. 4:30 AM my sanity apparently exited when I first moved into x86 moving from a 68000 to a 68040 then to an 800mhz PIII :P amiga? heh, nope amusing. running this xmms from a box on the other end of the home, displaying it an xserver on this laptop, then playing the sound via an icecasted stream. * adam needs to become less lazy about setting up NFS --> plmirc (plmirc@152.190.62.62.9massy1-1-ro-bas-1.9tel.net) has joined #Rockbox hi Hi at all just a very little question hmm... sure why not a big interesting question? why mean the message ata: -4 it means you're using old software ;-) it means the ata code bugs for recorder I'm too hurry ? try the latest daily build it is this one I tried plmirc: what kind of recorder do you have? archos20020612.ajz I have the 10 G version which recorder model do you have? *plopp* i think we have found our man! interesting! we have only tested with recorder20 so far. you can help! oupsss plmirc: you are our hero! ciao !!! our man really ? heh but why explain me ! yes! we have been looking for a guy with an older recorder YEAH !!!!!!!! If I can help you the first enjoyed !! plmirc: are you willing to try a test version? YEAH !!!!!!!! If I can help you, I'm the first enjoyed !! ... Yes I want ! hang on... what do you want I do ? can I mail it to you? y orginal firmware is the 1.24 yes My mail is oh well. * adam hits the hay good night p_lm@hotmail.com night <-- adam has quit ("[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.0c19 for the Atari 2600 today!") night adam night ok, plmirc. Hang on. I wnat to say before continue that I really love your idea to create an open firmware for the archos mp3 player/recorder And i really really want to encourage you !! :-) The World is needed men like you !!! hehe. thanks thanks! excuse my english.... where are you from? I'm french ok and you ? we (the core team) are swedish Congratulation for your football demonstration !! but there are english, french and american contributors too hehe, yeah they seem to be happy about it :) I'm not much into football myself. Go Sweden Go! every body is into football when it is the world cup .. isn't it ? plmirc: i have mailed the test code well some of us prefer hacking :) oki plmirc: but i'm not sure how it works, i accidentally included some other non-working changes... I check my mail box right now (the MAS3587F code) yeah i have it good luck, and be careful out there... :-) there is a big bad virus in that ?? :-) no i'm kidding but why it is so small surprised? the official has a double size well, we are not done yet. Are you limited by the size ? The limit is about 250Kb I believe I connect my archos mp3 recorder 10 G version but we don't know for sure *boooom* I copy your file.... * Bagder awaits (drum roll) yes i looked for this word, thx ! ;) and....... and ..... and .. *silence* ok i deconnect and turn it off now the suspense is KILLING me! :-) even more that the football game and to think people found the world cup match exciting hmmmm than don't say that rockbox vs cvs is on the screen this time during a longer time and yes i can now view all my files YIPPIE!!!! *kewl* what are you changing ? YAY what did you change ? The address encoding of the ATA registers is different in your version so we need to autodetect that somehow I suspected this, and you made it possible to verify You saved my day! I can go in and out directory whith ouot any problem ! Good Job ! Don't try to play anything... plmirc: now press the menu key and play tetris ;-) oki it is possible ? yes no i don't beleive it no, playing mp3 is not possible let's try ... yet OK. now we need a way to autodetect this YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OU OU OU OU OU YEAHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT IS WORKING I PLKAY TETRIS ON MY ARCHOS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! plmirc: press a menu key, then you can play tetris WOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU §!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! maybe we can do the same as the master/slave detection? * Bagder laughs YES UES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Linus: what is the difference? ou !!! whowww !! it is fast yeah !!!!!!!!!!! it marvellous !!! I love it I made 0 line but I love it ! Zagor: what do you mean? what's the difference in ATA adressing? The CONTROL/ALT_STATUS is at 0x61000306 in older versions, 0x61000206 in newer How lame and it doesn't work to adress 306 in newer versions? no. :( I wonder why they have changed the address encoding in only one specific version? rec20 is obviously a major update They must have screwed up I mean, why have it at 206 in Player, change it to 306 in the recorder10, only to change it back in recorder20??? plmirc: can you be around for more tests in the future? ah, you're right I wonder what the recorder6 has 306 i guess the difference is probably only the HD yse yes linus: yes I' ll be good. we need you Zagor: do you think we should autodetect or configure? i'm not sure it's a fourth target... * Bagder hrmpfs if it's only the ATA I think we should autodetect still, if we auto-detect this why wouldn't we auto-detect the player lcd? just a little question.. again.. but songs can be played on the player version and not on the recorder version.... it will take a long time before recorder can play song too ?? Are you near of this result with recorder version ? I wonder if there are players around with 306 addressing=? plmirc: it's not far away I think we'd have heard about that oki thx linus Bagder: was that hrmpf an opinion of some sort? Zagor: their firmware use variables for the ATA register addresses yes of course. and for lcd function pointers "of course"? Zagor: yes, I'd prefer autodetect of the ATA so should we then autodetect the lcd too? not necessarily ...since? no we can't autodetect the lcd the lcd differences are so huge sure we can, just like the stock firmware does ah, the ond/new player lcd old ah, that yes i thought you meant the recorder..... me too ;-) I could very well have an player-LCD auto detect too, yes that would be nice There is an other function which can be interesting, but maybe it is too early to think about it right now, can I tell it to you now or I have to wait before speaking about new function ? shoot! shoot ? go ahead and tell us ok sometimes when I'm listening a song I want to listen an other one in a other directory just after the ont which playing it is possible to select the next song which will be playing during an other song is playing ? it is like a playlist but in real time I don't know if you know what I mean ? and if you think it is really interesting ? Like the queue option in the Archos firmware? yes but during a song is playing not pre-determinated like a winamp playlist song Tha Archos firmware has exactly that, so I want that for Rockbox as well yeah, that will probably come sooner or later it is like when your listen a mp3 whith winamp and you select the next dropping the file in the queue well.. it was the idea of the day, if you need me just call me... going to sleep... but my computer stay online --- plmirc is now known as plmirczzZZ night Linus: is the mutex atomic? probably not why? i was thinking about what greg said. since we use the queue code from both threads and interrupts, shouldn't the mutex be interrupt protected? the queue code doesn't use the mutex ah, ok then it disables the irq good --- Zagor is now known as Zagor|lunch --- plmirczzZZ is now known as plmirc|zzZZ --- Linus is now known as Linus|meeting --- Zagor|lunch is now known as Zagor <-- dwihno|gone has quit (Remote closed the connection) brb <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox --- plmirc|zzZZ is now known as plmirc I just wake up and I made a dream.. I play Tetris on my archos with an other opposant through usb cable, it will be possible ? no, usb is out of our control snif :'( it is only for harddisk access there is the digital IN/out port !!!! yes, it's a little boring yes but that's only for sound data. we can't access it directly either i know it is possible to have information from ear port no, only to the port. not from. it is the way of remote control yes, but it's only one-way hummm ok.... hmmm . there 's any port again... :'( one-way, no way... yeah !!! I found !!!!!!!! why not use the line-in port for the one-way information and the ear port for the other-way information ??? the ear port is the only port we can control. line is directly connected to the sound chip dawn !!! shit !! now now, no foul languange necessary sorry... :p Zagor: so when's the server upgrade happening? i'm thinking about doing it tomorrow morning, to minimise the impact sounds wise --> jedix (~liam@fwott1-1.cis.ec.gc.ca) has joined #rockbox <-- plmirc has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) I was jsut reading thorough the logs.my recorder firmware is 1.17ia. I still get the ATA error with the dail builds elinenbe: what recorder type? elinenbe: the new ata code isn't in the daily yet. it was just a test. it ia a recorder 6GB elinenbe: yes, that once will need a fix that one have you figured out the problem with this version? ok, so at least we know 6 and 10 are the same yes send me the firmware and I will try it out. Zagor: do you have any good idea on how to autodetect? we could probably do something in the line of our master/slave detect. test the two addresses and see who responds correctly elinenbe: are you prepared to test? I am always prepared. I am using chatzilla here though, so I have no DCC transfers. no problem, i'm putting it on the web server you have to support the OSS movement. the force is strong with you... :) I see the change logs have added a CR or a LF to the end. This makes windows users happy. actually, the extension was changed and that's the only diff ;-) it's just silly windows browsers that care about filenames instead of mime types true. It was changed from .log to .txt that is some stupid shit that is msie for you... just tell me when it [the recorder firmware] is up on the web page. I will go to town with it. it doesn't play any music yet though ;-) understandable... who needs to play mp3s anyway tetris works, that's all you need :) true. http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/recorder/ajbrec.ajz go go go noooo, won't work. stop now my fingers are quicker than my brain :) so, should I try it? yes i'll try it on my rec20 too works for me. how about you? * Bagder crosses his fingers Paraguay is now up 3-1 on Slovenia -- 3 goals in the 2nd half "ata: -4" :( ough hmm, ok new version. try again. was that an autodetect attempt? yes worked for me, but I set one bit wrong on the player why dont you use the up down buttons to scroll through the directory? and the left right to go into/ out of the directory. it seems more logical because it doesn't have up and down buttons. people have used left/right (which are actually called -/+) for ages, they will scream bloody murder if we change that look at the comparison and you'll see the player doesn't use the same cursor navigation concept as the recorder true. I forgot. I used to have a player, but I got one of the first recorders. Linus|meeting: what were the addresses? you said 0x06100306 and 0x06100206 but the "old" code uses 0x06200206 this last version gives me an ata: -4 too --> edx (OKE60@pD9EAB833.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #rockbox hi hey hey there. *fixing win32 code finally now..* coolio * elinenbe starts yelling "E-D-X" at the top of his lungs and wakes the neightbors! lol after scrolling and playlist are added, just the playmodes need to be added and we almost have equal functionality to the original player! that is quite impressive. yeah, it's gone quickly heh has Archos ever contacted you Bjorn? not about rockbox, no hehe whether they even know..? they wanted my help developing the multimedia jukebox last summer, though... cool are you serious? did you help? this multimedia thing rocks. how come they chose you? :) that multimedia thing has been delayed more than 6 months! yup. but they bailed out when they saw my hourly rates :) lol they had seen my "dissecting the archos" page and the linux driver ah well, at least they know where to look myabe they should have highered someone who request higher rates. hehe there stuff is "quite" buggy I dont have a player so I have yet to test the recent functionality, but have you heard of any crashes -- (as inthe archos crashes where you have no clue what is going on) no, we've had very little problems that is quite excellent. I suspect that it isn't being used very heavily yet yes, that's nice. we found and nailed a rather nasty bug just before release, so we've had a bit of luck too when the playlists come, I think that'll improve yup I was wondering if you would be able to have a "high-activity" buffering mode and a "low-activity" buffer mode? are they playlists ready for random, bagder? elinenbe: why? Zagor: yes they are prepared, the code is all there by that I mean you can have redundant disk reads? like if you are running with the player. we'll have to do lots of testing first, to see how (and even if) we can improve skipping then it could read the disk more often... and verify the data or try and reread the data, or just struggle with whatever data it is reading Bagder: can we randomise the playlist while playing it? what will happen on the player if I shake the hell out of it while it is playing... for a few minutes? (sorry haven't read the code very thoroughly) Zagor: sure elinenbe: i don't know :) Bagder: so if I add a "randomize" entry to the menu, we're pretty much set? Zagor: pretty much, we might want one option to toggle "shuffle" and perhaps another one for reshuffle --> plmirc (plmirc@152.190.62.62.9massy1-1-ro-bas-1.9tel.net) has joined #Rockbox Bagder: umm, how do we turn off random? --- plmirc is now known as plmirc|zzZZ uh ;-) we'd need to reload the playlist to get the correct order back well, we don't have to support "un-randomizing" right now hmm Bagder... yes? Bagder: lcd_init..what's that I cant use that :P starting the scroll thread ah ok then i can.. sorry ;) hehe I think in time a "The" filter should be added in... what are the params of create_thread.... ? where files that start with "The" the "The" is ignored... create_thread(void* fp, void* sp, int stk_size) function pointer, stack pointer, stack size hmm ok elinenbe: hehe we need a generic "filter" to present song names shorter I might have a go at someting like that soonish it's an 1.2 feature anyway yeah but even 1.2 features need to be written ;-) hehe, yup Bagder.. what do you do with the stack pointer? nothing good me neither lol ;-) pthreads usually have 2MB stack anyway i use the stk_size variable though... don't what is init_threads supposed to do btw.. (why not?) you're likely to use more stack than the target ok so the stack size will be tuned for target performance and may not be good enogh for hsot hmmm with the linux simulator.. dont you get "mpeg_play undefined" or something like that? no ah ok i see I have a stub for it you defined it (ill just copy..) there's a init_threads() too in the x11 sim and then.. whats yield? yield is: "now, someone else might want to run a while" we have cooperative multitasking aha each thread must themselves let go uhmm... where is it defined (and do i need a stub for it?) you implement the thread layer you need to provide yield aha i still dont get what its supposed to do edx: you should make sure that only one thread at a time is running and where is it defined for the target? and when the thread calls yield(), another thread may start executing ok.. start or continue? yield() is in kernel.c k continue create_thread() starts threads all threads must call yield() ok no problem then. is there a stop_thread or somehting alike? only when a thread calls yield will any other thread get to run No --- Linus|meeting is now known as Linus no stopping of threads, no and why not? :) we don't need it (the scroll thread is always running..?.. yes) if the need ever comes up, we'll add it yes Watch my new cool commit * Bagder switches to his rockboxcvs box now come to papa coolness now, does it work? ;-) Linus: bah, mine is a lot smaller but it still doesn't work. haha Mine works for rec6? yes oh, sorry, i havent tried that give it to elinenbe does he have a 0x306 box? rec6, yes yes elinenbe: here? why would the data stay on the bus when we have read lots of instructions inbetween the accesses? so you know that rec6 has 0x306 address encoding? I am here. at gives ata: -4 anyway, which indicates it but leaving for class soon I have a rec6 because we don't execute code behind the ATA buffers elinenbe, pick a recorder version here http://storebror.haxx.se/archos/ Badger: that version works. Zagor: it is not about data staying on the CPU data bus, it's about data staying on the ATA bus *ding* neato I can scroll through the songs! great! nicers that is nice. coolers boys i still think we should combine the master/slave and version check :) linus version is bloooooated ;) haha What is bloated about it? he still has 1 - 0 for making it work ;-) just kidding, i did it like this: /* check for master/slave on both control addresses */ for ( control_addr = (void*)ATA_CONTROL_ADDR1; control_addr !=(void*)ATA_CONTROL_ADDR2; control_addr = (void*)ATA_CONTROL_ADDR2 ) { that brings down the change to about 10 lines nice. can you get the scrolling faster? :) elinenbe: go into the menu and set the speed yourself well, laters. congradualtion on the fine effort. what does create_thread return on failure / success? I want page down/up in three browser very nicely done. tree Bagder: yes, but that requires multiple keys which we don't support yet how about how soon it scrolls? -- like as soon as you put the curson on the filename. gotta go. bye! ah see ya Linus elinenbe: that can't be changed yet <-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox I think a highly configuralbe firmware with some good default options will be awesome. yep. it's called Rockbox :) much like the iriver/riovolt 250 firmwares... well, you know what I mean... options for everything. i know When one thread is started (begin_thread).. then all other threads are suspended, right? the first level of tetris is too fast :) hehe... later. edx: yes that's how it should be ok Zagor: what does beginthread return on success / failure? it doesn't fail beginthread? that's not in the api is it? no mine can fail. then it can exit ;-) Xlib: sequence lost (0x10000 > 0xc5) in reply type 0x0! i still get a lot of X errors, bagder X error in rockboxui: X Error of failed request: 0 Major opcode of failed request: 0 () Serial number of failed request: 0 Current serial number in output stream: 197 weird I didn't get them at all yesterday try running it remotely, that might trigger it or else it's my starwin32 that's fooling around I can't right now, my X redirect is messed up ok also I get an X beep for every keypress I do. very odd. righ, I get that too at home no idea why jipie! reduced errors to one... way to go not with this one *done* cool, you are fast will you remove the intptr_t from dir.h too? and the .rc file ... the rc file.. that was your mistake i think.. it had always been in the cvs... but it doesn't compile see Gary's mail *great* why not? i will... in a sec Greg's mail of course * Bagder writes "Gary is not Greg" a 100 times hehe * edx didnt even notice you switched names ;) hehe * edx writes it 50 times is scrolling used on the player? yes when? i'm working on a better scroll, though ... i would like to see scrolling... it doesnt scroll :) it should scroll short names don't scroll. find a long filename folder name.. ? file or folder (long folder name wont scroll.. :() then it's a bug actually i found a bug with that. names only 1 char too long don't scroll. the length calculation was wrong uhm its much longer.. rather a uisw bug ;) oh, doh, i forgot what you were working on :) ok that sucks... the thread suspends itself :/ hehe not funny :P whats new? we got the ata code working on all recorders now it wont scroll! scroll_count stays 0.. also for folders :/ it scrolls on target and in the X11 simulator apps.. main.c needs to include thread.h for init_threads main.c .. init must return a value it must? dont know.. vc says it must right should be a void noo... whats this ah ok recorder scrolls, too? yes (no, not on the simulator :/) is too ;-) bah lol how do i pop up the menu again :/ Zagor: you added any randomize menu? not yet, working on Scroller++ :) edx: the - (wont work) what's all this lol I'll go home, see ya later <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox why wont the menu show up??! you must press F1 now, not F2 or F3 ok that is: you must press /, not * or - ahhh thanks ok scrolling works in the menu! not whilke browsing though weird add a debugf() in scroll_thread to see that it's running properly pah who wokrs with debugf.. breakpoint there ... it works ;) haha scroll_count that is 0... hmm lcd_puts_scroll sets it to 1... now that's weird. uhm its 0 again... for some reason.. uhm.. well ill debug a little why is lcd_stop_scroll called directly before putsscroll? that's not wonder at all ... stop_scroll sets it to 0 again! because stop_scroll restores the line. the next putsscroll starts scrolling on another line hmmhm but its called over and over again (tree.c ln 366) you have an old tree.c 366 is the last return oh lol ... but there, too, lcd_stop_scroll is called over and over again <-- plmirc|zzZZ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) where? it's called once per screen update ln 366... whats that hum? 366 is "return false;" i just updated.. (i even deleted the whole folder and checked out again) strange. uh, lemme check it's my version that's different. let me check it in. now also grab the new lcd.c k uhm.. its always set to 0 again :/ strange. well it works in target and x11 simulator... hah! setting scroll speed to 1.. then it works LOL scroll_speed/2 .. that does not work according to c... for scroll_speed = 1 (1/2 = 0) yes, don't use scroll_speed=1 thats the only number it works for lol eh? make it better :) it's set to 0 (by scroll_stop) before the scroll function is called - how can this work whereever else..? no, scroll_count is set to 0. not speed. ok whatever. still... why? well there's a difference :) because by setting it to 0 the scroll stops great. then it stopsstopsstops ... line 366 is called more than 10 times a sec... is that correct? 366 is "return false;" *crying...* lcd_stop_scroll(); that's what it is no, i don't get that called other than when the screen is scrolled or the cursor is moved where is it called from? ok.. now it is return false; (done another update) returns? still.. it wont scroll... it's void. what are you doing? now its line 359 i am talking about tree.c ln 359 is always called :( check your button_get. if the argument is true, it's not supposed to return until you press a key. that's probably it ahhhhhhh thats OF COURSE it ;) ok, good! who did put that argument in there? i did i am sorry for bothering you all the time.. :) that was last week, i think. looong ago :) no problem :) now thats your own fault! hehe i have to rush. see you tomorrow! <-- Zagor has quit ("Client Exiting") YEAY! * edx got scroll to work! --> dwihno|gone (dwihno@Bald067.Baldakinen.Umea.SE) has joined #rockbox --- edx is now known as edx|away --> Bagder2 (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox Bagder2: are you the "real" Bagder? lol noooo, I'm 100% fake ;-) was that ironi? lol if not then who are you :) you should recognize that I use the same host pattern as always should be an indication so yes, its me in windows i can only see that if i really want to (and I had a look at it and rcognized name etc were correct.. but you can never be sure ;)) got scrolling to work on the simulator cool I noticed your commits was just teh button_get function which did not work for 1st argument = true hm.. gotta eat something... be right back --- edx|away is now known as edx|eats http://bjorn.haxx.se/rockbox/daily.shtml edx i wanted to say.. good work on the windows side mate... adi.. thanks :) --- edx|eats is now known as edx as for you Bagder2... well... atleast your swedish ;) has anyone else been really helping you? edx, you should check the compile status page after you commit stuff... it broke again fixed now ouh.. what was it? different init protos in apps/main.c himhum.. think i fixed that (?) yes, you fixed it for the simulator and broke all non-sims ;-) 6 red boxes ok... very sorry for that.. didnt know there was one for each (sim/target) no worries next time i'll have a look at it I just meant that as an advice .. and it's a good one ;) didnt know it would update that fast.. that's really cool what you did there :D it updates every 20 minutes if there are changes done * Bagder2 bows * edx applauds * Bagder2 likes Björns scroll-fix that scroll does look good okay, who broke the sim? i can't get into the menu anymore for the recorder <-- Bagder2 has quit (card.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) --> jester (~snortboy@216.33.101.146) has joined #rockbox <-- jester has quit (Client Quit) --> Bagder2 (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox <-- webmind has quit (Remote closed the connection) --> webmind (webmind@seal.student.utwente.nl) has joined #rockbox <-- Bagder2 has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) adi| whats your problem with the scroll? noting.. i like the scroll but the sim for some reason, doesnt' bring up the menu anymore... for the recorder <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox --> Coug (sometime@1Cust221.tnt1.coeur-dalene.id.da.uu.net) has joined #rockbox does anyone know how to install an archos driver when it says "you do not have sufficient security priveleges to install this hardware" in windows 2000 yes.... I did get permission press / ... adi for the menu <-- jedix has quit ("Mozilla party!") --> g003y (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) has joined #rockbox woo... busy today :D <-- g003y (~g003y@dynamic-195-63.hotwired.com) has left #rockbox <-- edx has quit ("good night") --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox --> Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox hey cuckoo! the builds went red again, but I got to turn them green ;-) aren't the sim for the recorders supposed to go into menu when you hit '*'? red builds. oh my god! cause it seems it does it on '/' now. I think Björn moved that, on purpose or not So did Zagor finally accept my ATA patch...? :-) the bloated one hah he who writes the working code wins :-) BTW, did we give jedix credit for his work on the scroller? I don't think we did where do we need to give him credit? on the credits list? we should get Greg on IRC Greg? Haerr * adi|work doesn't recognize the name from the mailing list ahh..okay.. he posted like 7 times the last 24 hours that guy.. eheh okay :) just sent him an invite night <-- Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has left #rockbox <-- wettoad has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) --> wettoad (~wettoad@uludag.mbi-berlin.de) has joined #rockbox night <-- Linus (~linus@labb.contactor.se) has left #rockbox <-- Coug has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) <-- datazone has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) --> datazone ([Vx3r6U9xN@207.136.36.203) has joined #rockbox --- wettoad is now known as WetBed <-- elinenbe has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) --> ironi (ironi@as2-5-7.j.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox hey björn you have klez =) how did you get it in linux hehe oh anyone awake? wow the firmware is getting really good but the moving around is still wrong --> gregh (~greg@adsl-63-206-140-154.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox hello is this the rockbox developer irc channel? yepp that's it? all you had to ask? =) would you believe I've been hacking code for 20 years and never used irc? a few folks suggested I get on this channel I was thinking of jumping in and hacking the windows simulator version a bit... I'm stuck using windows for now and its hard to dual boot... heh =) i see well welcome to irc you have missed out on something for the last...well not 20 but maybe 10 years hey gregh... glad you came over :) you just missed Bagder and Linus who is adi|work? Is that edx? they went to sleep a bit ago.. adi|work: adiamas oh shoot. adi|home: adiamas :) they are in sweden... hm and i am just a wannabe that has been around since day 1 of development I'm thinking it would be fun to hack some code for the player the only i have contributed with is the name "rockbox" and a bit of the website design but I'm lazy and don't have time to cross compile so I've got to get the windows simulator working great first... ironi - well you did a good job on the name! gregh: I'm kind of prud actually hehe I would hack code if I knew more But I'll give it some more time does everyone here use the x11 version, or instead the actual target version? heh gregh you dont need to press enter like that =) haha oh, were your screens scrolling? I double clicked on a few peoples names... I don't quite know what I'm doing on IRC!! just type what you wanna say nothing special heh it was interesting to see where everybody's IP address was ok, I think I've got it back under control now... so - what feature should I hack on first? you can put more on 1 line, rather than hitting enter between pieces ... gregh: what client do you use? I just pulled down mIRC. What do you recommend? I am hitting enter a bit frequently, I see gregh: well mirc is good for beginners stick to that for a while i personally use xircon, another windows client hehe * PsycoXul recomends *NIX clients :p which i find better , but i guess that is just what im used to PsycoXul: u think? for a newbie? well if he's on windows he can't very well use them so i guess he's better off sticking with mirc gregh: well a few hints: you doint need to type the entire nick of someone you address, jsut type first letter then tab :p or a few letters then : mIRC requires payment after 30 days I think heh sure it does :p I have to use windows for my damn email for the time being /j to join /msg to private message /dns to see ip of a user, /notice to notice a user, /server to change server the basic irc commands =) i cant beilieve there are actually ppl on this planet that have never used irc...today...2003 =) no offence, gregh heh ironi: you get out much? well, I spend too much time in the VI editor. lots of people haven't used irc :p PsycoXul: wel i mean like programmers, computer-freaks etc =) I readily admitted my IRC failings so that you wouldn't think I'm completely out of it... PsycoXul: yah i get out much but irc is a part of my life yeah what happens if you're gone for a while and someone sends a message, etc? irc's funny like that It sounds kinda geeky to say u have friends on irc, that you consider your friends. well if you're not connected then you're not on the network to get it it'll tell them you're not there gregh: you can set your self away like /away reason bla bla if you are connected it'll scroll in your client, and depending on settings your client may log it for you I can see that IRC is much more interactive than email, and you can get a better feel for the type of person you re communicating with... gregh: of course or it'll just be like in the scrollback hell, I met my girlfriend on irc hahaha heh are the communications in IRC logged ? gregh: you can log it, yes (I wonder if I'll meet my future ex-girlfriend on IRC?) I mean is there a master log for review? gregh: optimistic, aye? servers don't log gregh: I don't think so generaly Never heard of it anyway other people connected and in the channel can log the chan though gregh: well you wont find any girls (hardly) on this network =)( ironi: where will you find them? ironi: yeah, I bet not ;-( heh I meet girls with my rockbox, though =) heh PsycoXul: i just meant there are other networks with channels that are more for "ordinary" ppl chat channels gregh: hehehe ah yeah but ordinary people suck :/ well gregh: another good irc network (i think) is efnet, weher eoyu can find a lot of good channels yeah efnet's huge lots of people, lots of chans i dunno that i'd call it a good network though :p PsycoXul: well its a good balance between good topics and off-topic talk if you know what i mean well that all depends on the chan comparing to nets like dalnet =) PsycoXul: of course <-- gregh has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) well dalnet has some good linux channels oops there he went --> gregh (~greg@adsl-63-203-102-47.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox <-- gregh has quit (Client Quit) whoa PsycoXul: where are you located? he's in the same area as i am whats that, los angeles? lsan? --> gregh (~greg@adsl-63-203-102-47.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox san bernardino county i guess am I back, good god I just got cut off oh really i'm in colton myself gregh you nad PsycoXul seem to be neighbours I am in newport beach right now PsycoXul: is that california? =) yepp * ironi has no clue yeah gregh you can use /me to talk about yourself in third person do you know why I was just disconnected with no warning? so are you close? connection reset by peer well i guess not so close if he's on a beach i'm rather inland newport beach and colton where is PsycoXul? I missed the last 3 minutes ok where the heck is colton? near rialto heh ok, where is rialto... hahaha heh I'm from salt lake city, actually san bernardino county but hangin here in newport well im in sweden what time is it, ironi pretty close to riverside i think i was in saint louis, MO for 5 months last year though oh, then you are near chino? 2:48 am i'm not sure where chino is you guys haha heh sometimes i forget how damn big usa is he he, CA's too big a place =) it sure is heh yeah california could be 2 states and still be pretty big ones :p probably will be someday yeah but you both have *,dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net yeah pacbell's funky sounds to me like you should be close :-P i'd think so too i has swbell when i was in stl had ironi: i typed '/dns ironi' and nothing happened... nothing? strange try /whois ironi since i've seen .dsl.XXXX.pacbell.net different one's for LA and san diego i figured lsan was san bernardino.. not same thing where's it supposed to put the info, on the line above? on the line you type oh oh default mirc in the status window is where it gets put damn default mirc is not all that funny oh, yes, there it is, hidden behind my window and btw for unix/linux irc client i recomend irssi I would recommend xircon if you want winsdows gui client irssi rocks but i like windows to put 4 channels in a tile so i can see all at once on my 19" heh thats heaven for me :-P actually 6 right now ah yes, that sounds like a good idea for a long time IRC person you can have windows in irssi arranged how you like them PsycoXul: nut in 2x2 really? just above each other i use fullsize windows as far as i know you talking console irssi? 15 of them right now any idea why I was disconnected without notice? though only 14 in use :p ok wlel then you have to press buttons to change chans alt and a number big deal :p like my hands aren't already pressing buttons to be and chat on irc :p gregh: connection reset by peer its more convenient than having to move a hand over to the mouse you're talking a human or machine? You mean TCPIP reset by peer and i don't have the precious screen real estate to have them all visible at once ...especialy having 14 windows being on 4 different networks control-shift-f6 will change between mdi windows in windows gregh: if it happens sometimes, its just like that, it happens 10+ different channels im on 2 networks gregh: i would really recoomend xircon to you its really nice yeah for windows I'll pull it down you do need kano too xircon's the least-shitty windows irc client i've found xircon raw is crap :p PsycoXul: with kano its really extensive the nick completion is unbeatable yeah i've seen kano i like irssi's nick completion is kano an addon yeah its a script http://www.xircon.com/pub/xircon/XiRC10B4.EXE install that first i'm not a big fan of tcl personally dont bother to run it befor eyou install.... http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/kanotcl/k15beta8.exe that i'm not really fond of perl either, but i respect it and its a lot better than tcl :p heh when running the kano installer make sure you select the "first time install" irssi is tcl or? irssi uses perl for its scripting xircon uses tcl http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/kanotcl/k15beta8.exe try that link for kano the first one maybe didnt work heh www.xircon.com/pub/xircon/XiRC10B4.EXE I had to repeat that since I finally got logging turned on heh ok you can click that link to open broswer at least in xircon and I never know when I'll get a disconnected gregh: heh that doesnt happen so often, and with xircon + kano the windows wont empty when you reconnect oh.. ok, got em both downloaded even if oyu get kicked and rejoin so install xircon first then after that install kano and make sure you select the update settings box shall I install it right now while I'm talkin with you guys? makes some things easier sure why not heh here goes heh imma go watch the conformavision bbl :p xIRC installed k except no desktop icon, hm its in the start menu =) well dont run it install kano first installing kano now... k now xirocn is a bit different but a lot easier to understand i think especiallt he cinenct dialog did you say I should check the "update settings" box? yep definitely did you? and all the other boxes? yah i think so dont rememberthe others =) ok kano installed now what so now start xircon should i log in and keep connected here also? can you run two clients? yeah if its possible well yes ok, here goes...! but sometimes a server doenst accept two conenctions from same if but if you conenct to irc.openprojects.org you wont always end up on the same it redirects i'm running it now, does it always take a bit after logging into the server to ask for the channel connection? oh you mean the pop-up window? yes, it's got a black (single) window ok you can use /j rockbox /j is short for join not working? --> new_gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-203-102-47.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox hehe there u go hehe ok so there are a few things you should configure if you right click in the channel configure/options/kanos options right click in the black window? uncheck any box checked on the lower half on the middle section yeah in the channel window you are talking in there aren't checkboxes, just hierarchical menus... well in the menu ther eis configure -> options -> kanos options there i would recommend to unchek all boxes in the lower half on th emiddle section, like reprt fatal erros and so on ok, I've got that up now also set "autoaway" to "off", and "on nick highlight" to "echo in focused" the hit ok good god what a bunch of options...!! then yeah there is A LOT more if you want but you dont need to ok, did all that done? ok yep, here I am configure -> options -> modules options check automatically log all channels to dir geez a zillion more options its a grwat fnction that sorts logs , channels in one dir and querys (private conversations) in one done configure -> options -> addons options ok remove the bottow five checkboxes they are annoying well actually done if u want spellfix, keep it i cant use it since i talk in swedish in some channels no spell fix for now, I never make a mistrake ;-) ok and now mistrake and now something type /ncomp &n: what? /ncomp &n: I did that ok new_gregh: This is what the nick comp is set to! thats what u got? yes cause that is nick completion try typing ir: still there? ironi: you see? =) you can also try ir and press tab it will complete the nick ironi kinda handy for long nicks what does the &n mean? oh that was how it would complete &n is the nick and : OH I get it now... nick completion is nick followed by : I said I'm new... exactly so i change my new_gregh-baby: heh adi|work-baby: /ncomp &n-baby: =) I suppose you can do /ncomp (eval fn(&n))? its with an underscored : by default and a lot of ppl dont like that hah dunno try /help ncomp I'm going to change new_gregh back to gregh but can't since I'm running two clients right now how do I setup for automatic login to rockbox on startup?" no... close the first one and do /nick gregh <-- gregh has quit () --- new_gregh is now known as gregh hello there we're rockin now right click in the channel, then do autojoin-> add to autojoins autojoin->add current yeah do this done /theme bitchx thats a nice theme i think it didn't do anything yet looks like BitchX, a *nix console irc client didnt you get a popup where you could press ok? it asked for the load, but no art changed... yes oh really strange maybe its default then it says that it loaded it what's another theme strange try /theme then look in kano\themes ok, i loaded Metal what is supposed to change? thatone is noce to colors just the text colors? font colors yeah and a few other things the "console" you cna actually try yourself b using /kano well, it's not too exciting over here like /kano 0 * ironi is testing I set a prompt hm * ironi is testing but don't see the prompt... well its just when messgaes appear form the server, and so on nevermind that's ok, thanks so anyway you can do /ts to get itmestamp good you have to do it individually for every channel try pressing the little button with tools on top you have a time format you might want to change the time display layout I see, my god what a configurable program i have [%H:%M] and also connecta t startup might be handy I set the connect at startup now well, before I go to bed tonight, I'll see if Linux or Bjorn are on is this highlighted gregh yes good. actually, minimize this program and look at your keyboard lamps try that now gregh gregh cool, isnt it? gregh =) wow the scroll lock is blinking , right? =) yes i think that rocks, when im doing something else i can see someone needs me how do you know if its addressed to you, or just the channel? well kano is porlly the most complicated tcl script there is for irc well it blinks when your name is said thats the only occasion oh my god or when someone wites osmething to you in a private window writes and here I thought it was just when a message came through of any kind ... no no its a bit more sofisticated anyway you can do most kano commands and options with / , you dnt have to use menus, which i think is handy well, I better get something to eat and you better sleep... if yu want to explore all the commands try typing /help I will read up on this complicated thing... and look onwards from there I'll just leave this running, though the commands that you do with / are called aliases btw hehe do that now waut wait try this /away food * gregh is away, food [l/on p/on] * ironi is gone, sleeping [l/on p/on] =) am I awa? yep away? * gregh has returned, [gone/1m 26s] how do you get the private window? you double click a user in the list or if you want to do it the command line way you type /msg nickname text the reply will still open up a new window ok, I'm going to eat now, thanks alot for the info! np * gregh is away, food+drinking [l/on p/on] kano is huge, takes forever to learn all the nifty email-checkers and other built-in utils s u later but a tip is to rght click and go on help->aliases ok take care   gregh: do u use emacs? no xircon supports some of it ok I'm a VI man i think björn does i have to tell him about it, i just found out i haver used kano for 4 years, i keep finding new stuff haha isn't it about 3:30 in the morning now? oh damn =) i have to be up at 8 bye =) =) <-- gregh has quit (" ") --> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-206-140-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox <-- ironi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) <-- gregh has quit (" ") --> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-206-140-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox <-- gregh has quit (Client Quit) --> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-206-140-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox heh yes i'm back --- dwihno|gone is now known as dwihno hmm http://www.sciplus.com/singleItem.cfm?terms=6609 are those too long? heh heh well... i guess they are thats kinda... heh Hmm, looks fishy well i measured my batteries they're only 2" those are 9/16" longer heh Well, you can always re-design your player to make it accept the bigger batteries ;) What kind of archos do you haev? heh studio20 gregh: about your logs question we have some of the irc conversation logs on the web site but no _everything_ and i met an ex on irc too ;) well.. chat room.. not irc ;) Does the archos firmware ever bug (major bugs, that is) for you? adi|home: internet is not for real(tm) :) dunno... havent' used it on my recorder well adding a whole dir to a playlist adds through to the end of the disk or more usualy the 999 limit thats not true dwihno we talked on line for 6 months or so... adi|home: The internet has you! talked on the phone for another 4 its a nice feature but not as nice as one that stops at the end of the dir :p then met in real life adi|home: nobody can be told what the internet is, you have to see it yourself! :) and the 999 limit's real annoying on a 20G drive we're 'togeather' for about a year PsycoXul: true, true the menus are a little random in their behaviour... they often don't return to where you expect them to heh adi|home: which log question? --> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox asking if there was a master list to irc oh yes, I was going to see if catching up on irc logs was worthwhile i think just diving into the code and asking questions is your best shot adi|home: The internet has you!!! :O find something you want to fix/do and do it hehe damn right dwihno i mud i code i research i purchase i bank heh i talk with my gf i spend 'alone time' it has me ;) i give $ to my gf :) MUD?! mud baby.. mud Hehe, I did that ages ago... Eww I thought of a cool new feature for rockbox w w w forage hehehe yup w w e n n who the heck has klez on the list? :) kill troll run west run west faster pray okya.. im off to quake a bit.. be back soon quakes0r! hm * dwihno goes to check the evil mailbox <-- g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has left #rockbox <-- gregh has quit (" ") --> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-206-140-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox <-- gregh has quit (Client Quit) --> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-206-140-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox --> g003y (~foo@m198-187.dsl.rawbw.com) has joined #rockbox ok so now I know for sure I'm not the one with klez virus on my machine. *back to your regular scheduled firmware hacking* --> Bagder (~daniel@as3-3-2.ras.s.bonet.se) has joined #rockbox Bagder you check your mail recently? checking now k i want to know what you think of the guys question about his 'Archos Jukebox 6000' and my response, and then his response. * adi|home is feeling a bit peeved. Good morning Dr. Bagder you mean the "mp3 no id3 info bug" one? his previous responses to other mails has proved him to be a bit "trigger happy" when it comes to reacting on mail content k... um.. am i out off line wanting to respond with 'fuck you' i won't.. trigger happy... more like instant asshole. just add internet but im just asking hmm I mean.. am i wrong that his email doesn't make it obvious that he is using a studio? honestly i dunno what mp3 playback not working on the recorder has to do with a "No mp3 id info" message on a jukebox 6k... * adi|home wonders if he is supposed to have the _entire_ archos line memorized uh? ya know what... don't waste anymore cycles on him. He can't even get on this irc server i think the lists getting too much crap lately am i correct in thinking that there is no archos 6000 recorder? 10 emails just with or about ones with viruses all pretty much at once yeah.. but those were automated heh adi; yes, the 6GB recorder is named "Recorder 6" is it? I think so hm or perhaps not never seen on the site myself well they're not called "Jukebox 6000"s i'm pretty sure heh no, that's for sure at least so are there 2 versions? of recorders? http://www.archos.com/us/products/product_jbrecorders.html first there was the jukebox 6000 the first player and then later they came out with the recorder wow there is one.... never noticed before which was also initialy 6G i think * adi|home nods and the 20G versions and the 10G versions and best buy has had some 5G version of something too there are players: 6000/5000 Jukbox, Studio 10 and 20, Recorder 6, 10 and 20. * gregh is gone, sleep [l/on p/on] there's a 5GB recorder? i only know of the jukebox 5000 for 5GB i dunno might i spam the channel for a sec with my response before I send it just to him? * adi|home waits for a descenting vote die! heh you want my opinion? don't reply at all. but but but... he needs a spanking what for cause i responded to offer and answer to his question and he was a dick * adi|home gets all pouty just email him this http://www.amishrakefight.org/gfy/ classic lol well no no no... i wonder if you even read his question because honestly your answer had nothing to do with it in the least :p it does if you think about it he mentioned nothing about music playback for one thing he was talking about id3 info display think abou it... no.. he states thats the prob if you _know_ that music won't play why try and play an mp3? thats what i was pointing out * adi|home wonders if that made sense and the other thing is he said "jukebox 6000" which is all over the place on the web page and other places as being a player and the first target and having music playback working right, but how many emails do we get describing 'jukebox' and even if music playback doesn't work, why should that stop somebody from testing id3 info display? because he didn't state he was testing the id3 display he didn't state anything other then 'is this a bug' well gee i dunno and i was responding that if he was trying to _play_ music.. then no its not a bug asking about the display of the message "No mp3 id info" seems to imply something about id3 display regardless no reason to snap like a pitbull reading usenet " but when I tried to play some other, real, mp3file" "he's snapping at me. He's stripped his teeth" is he exact statemnt thats why i asked he said he selected a non-mp3 file by mistake, got a no id3 info message, then went to a mp3 file and still got the no id3 message and has to reboot to get the id3 info from an mp3 file it sounds like a bug to me right... but was it the rebooting.. or the display he was asking about... so thats what i was pointing out it sounds like he was dropping an e-mail about the bug... and franklky.. if he doesn't know enough to read that playback isn't playing on a recorder, then he doens't know enough to figure out how to leave the display but _which_ 'bug' heh thats my point the bug of id3 info not being displayed after having selected a non-mp3 file kindof a silly one i admit, but something that might be looked into :p but if its a recorder.. then its not a 'bug weird bug it is if your ead the website ;) read rather sure it is as i understand it the recorder shouldn't have a problem displaying id3 info even if you don't get music playback what if you select a non-mp3 file? :D since he didn't even mention music playback though i don't think its worth worrying about in that respect and since he did say explicitly "Archos Jukebox 6000" which is also on the website as having music playback if you're intent on people reading the website :p hehehehehe heheh true i'd have to agree with bagder and just drop it I'd say that is your best route. yeah.. but pimp slapping is so much more fun. :) maybe but not really the purpose of the mailing list which, like i said before, is starting to get too much crap already as it is i know.. thats why i wasn't going to send to the list to him ;) if you read irc ;) ah well have fun if you want to dang where is that old send a bitch slap site when you need it :D its your choice of course :p if his is on the list long enough maybe he will get the klez virus. his == he I wonder who the heck keeps sending that damn thing to the list anyway. someone on the list is infected i really need to get my hands on a player there are ~166 suspects ;-) i blame it on the 'instant asshole' but hey, thats just me wow.. that many ? hahahah <-- gregh has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) well make it ~165 cuz it ain't me :D 64 haha 164 I scanned for grins even wc -l /home/majordom/lists/rockbox 162 /home/majordom/lists/rockbox I've suggested we lower the maximum mail size we allow to the list i swear.. i think archos choose the AA cable so that you _had- to buy them through them.. cause i can't find them anywhere it should stop most klezes im all for it I got an extra AA fairly easy but that was when I first picked up the _jukebox 6000_ ive looke everywhere best buy, compusa, radio shack ugh... those places never have them on line * adi|home noticed I ordered ahh.. okay I just got my Atari today :) hehe 2600 baby... how many carts? im at 20 or so nice now i just need a converted for my tv i don't have the vhf clips on this tv :) ratshack should have that know what sucks... oh it was in perfect condition got a small chunk taken outta the edge in transit damn.... the 3 small chips were in the box when i got it.. yeah :( was that an ebay purchase? yup and the packing was very good that was the sucky thing was it UPS or USPS? USPS priotiry insured hmmm.... I think they actually take the package when they pay out on a clain clain == claim ick im not claiming.. im keeping this... only a small chip if it works then don't bother get a tv card, and mod that mofo onto your pc case :D lol you get all the joysticks? paddles ? 2 sticks and 4 paddles i just need the ones with keypads I thought those were Intellivision * adi|home nods but if i remember atari made them as well but im not positive well coleco had them too but only the rich kids had coleco :D hehehe maybe that is a generalization, but I definitely couldn't afford one & I wasn't rich i was crushed when i talked to my nephew.. and i showed him pics of the atari screens he just went 'eww.. whats that?' hahahahahahahahahaha kids need that high res these days nods "what do you mean no blood?" "what is that dot?" "It's a tank bullet" hehehe i told him about pong... hah.... and died when he said 'and you called that fun? ' just wait until his kids are playing games in supa-high 33330003030303x397439847984374987 sssvga organic wall tft screens when games have to be written slow on purpose cuz they can't max the hardware anymore. LOL Dad! Dad! can i buy the Nuerel-NetStation 3? its only 765$!!! On Sale! hahaha holy christ no kidding anyone else watching the brasil costa rica game? nope * adi|home hates mentionging scores case anyone is taping it don't have cable so I've only been getting the next day tappings at work if someone brings them * adi|home nods >g003y< brasil has 3 goals in 30 mins okay.. off to quake a bit hmmm... quake. reminds me... I need to finish gta3 --> gregh (~Greg@adsl-63-203-101-206.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #rockbox and france+argentina sucks donkey-balls :) * Bagder writes boring code at work... -/ --> Zagor (~bjst@labb.contactor.se) has joined #rockbox hey all. i'm taking down the web and mail server for hardware updates affirmative see you soon <-- Zagor has quit (Client Quit) --- Disconnected (22). **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 13 04:35:39 2002